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The_Slithy_Tove wrote: »The point is, they do! Then a parasitic PPC comes in an scams money by issuing tickets for non-offences like parking 1cm over the line, or parking at 2am. The owner of the car park gets none of the money that mugs pay to the likes of PE. So the effect on their business is zero.
We don't advocate not paying the hourly charge. We do advocate telling PPCs where to go with their unenforceable penalties.
So the problem is that there needs to be better regulation of the likes of PE. And the land owners should really vet the companies far more. The problem is the fact that some companies like PE will find other ways to make extra money, on top of just managing the car park.
As for parking at 2am, you can't really argue that one. If they charge at that time, and you don't want to pay, then don't use the car park.
And there have to be rules about parking within bays, otherwise it has a knock on effect with the rest of the cars in the row. So if you don't want to be charged, then learn to park (I believe it is still part of the driving test).0 -
At 2am in the morning?
Most car parks are free at 2am. But if they are in an area where they are still used overnight, then it is up to the owner to decide if they charge or now, and not up to the person using their land.No one on here condones any actions that would genuinely deprive a landowner any rightful fees for parking
So why do people complain when they don't pay to park, and they receive a charge? I would suggest it is because in many cases they thought that they could get away without paying what the land owner has a right to charge for them to park there.Your argument about car parks being closed if people don't pay up (presumably you're referring to fake fines
No, I'm talking about the people who don't pay to park, and then complain about the fake fine they received for not paying.- as I said no one on here condones not paying the proper parking fees in the first place) is ludicrous.
The OP didn't pay the proper parking fee, which is why they received the fake fine.You seriously believe a supermarket would rather close its car park and deprive customers of the opportunity to shop all because people objected to being fleeced by fake and unlawful fines?
No, I was actually talking about private stand alone car parks, rather than supermarket ones.
What the supermarkets should do is be very strict about the way that companies like PE operate. And if they step outside their rules, then they lose the contract.0 -
Most do, they are called supermarkets/retail parks/fast food joints and so on! You don't appear to know the basic principles of this issue, I would suggest reading and studying for a few hours so you can gain those principles
Before you start trying to be smart. I was talking about stand alone car parks. Not the ones you describe, where they provide parking because they want you to spend money in their store. However I should point out that many of these do also have rules on the amount of time you can park there.0 -
You obviously haven't read hmrc v vcs where the judge said parking companies without propriety interest in the car park cannot offer parking ! This was a binding decision on lower courts that is why hardly any parking companies go to court as they cannot do that also!
And nobody here condones abusing car parks whether private or public, but if the business is closed why aren't the barriers down ? Also paying on exit would negate parking companies so they are hardly going to cut their own throats are they ?
Parking management companies are only in it for the money, they are supposed to manage a car park, companies like parking eye do this with a camera on entry/exit only, now how is that management ? They are supposed to only recover losses, yet they charge circa £100 in almost all instances. So how in this instance the loss is anywhere near what they are trying to claim ? Remember legally only the landowner can claim a loss not the parasitical parking company.
You wrongly assume that I am defending the parking management companies....well I'm not. I have already said that barriers would be far better.
What I am saying is that there are too many people who think that they can get away without paying for parking, or don't obey the car park rules. And those who are inconsiderate to others, by taking up more than one space, or by parking in disabled spaces. And then these people kick up a stink when they receive these fake fines.
There needs to be a way to operate a car park without one of these management companies (probably by using barriers), with a way to stop people being inconsiderate to others.0 -
Jamie_Carter wrote: »Most car parks are free at 2am. But if they are in an area where they are still used overnight, then it is up to the owner to decide if they charge or now, and not up to the person using their land.
Although in this instance, that wasn't the case was it? But you were still happy to steam in.Jamie_Carter wrote: »So why do people complain when they don't pay to park, and they receive a charge? I would suggest it is because in many cases they thought that they could get away without paying what the land owner has a right to charge for them to park there.
They complain because the 'fine' they receive is totally disproportionate to the original charge. Which is contrary to civil law by the way. If they received a ticket asking for the original charge no one here would complain at all and we'd advise everyone to pay.
I'll say it again, you need to get it clear in your mind the difference between legitimate parking charges, and unlawful contract penalties. Until you understand that, you will continue to be talking b*ll*cks.Jamie_Carter wrote: »No, I'm talking about the people who don't pay to park, and then complain about the fake fine they received for not paying.
If the fake fine bears no resemblance to the original parking charge then they have every right to complain.Jamie_Carter wrote: »No, I was actually talking about private stand alone car parks, rather than supermarket ones.
Don't let that stop you generalising about private parking charges overall though, eh?Jamie_Carter wrote: »What the supermarkets should do is be very strict about the way that companies like PE operate. And if they step outside their rules, then they lose the contract.
Like that's going to happen?
Answer me this - do you agree that these private parking companies should be able to levy whatever charge they like to motorists who break the rules for that car park?Je Suis Cecil.0 -
Jamie_Carter wrote: »Before you start trying to be smart.
You couldn't make that up!Je Suis Cecil.0 -
Although in this instance, that wasn't the case was it? But you were still happy to steam in.
Read the first post...it was a 24 hour fast food joint, so it would be used 24 hours a dayThey complain because the 'fine' they receive is totally disproportionate to the original charge. Which is contrary to civil law by the way. If they received a ticket asking for the original charge no one here would complain at all and we'd advise everyone to pay.
I'll say it again, you need to get it clear in your mind the difference between legitimate parking charges, and unlawful contract penalties. Until you understand that, you will continue to be talking b*ll*cks.
If the fake fine bears no resemblance to the original parking charge then they have every right to complain.
I don't know what you are arguing about. I actually agree with most of what you sayDon't let that stop you generalising about private parking charges overall though, eh?
I should think that there are more stand alone car parks than managed supermarket onesLike that's going to happen?
It will if supermarket customers vote with their feetAnswer me this - do you agree that these private parking companies should be able to levy whatever charge they like to motorists who break the rules for that car park?
Of course not. And I have never implied that I did.
Do yourself a favour, and read my posts properly.0 -
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Jamie_Carter wrote: »As for parking at 2am, you can't really argue that one. If they charge at that time, and you don't want to pay, then don't use the car park.
I think you've missed the point the OP made. It appears the car park is free one, albeit one where you're supposed to "prove" that you're a customer by entering your registration into a machine in the shop. How, therefore, was the OP supposed to pay the £0.00 charge for parking there after hours?
If this had been a pay and display car park where there was a charge for parking, and more crucially a machine which would enable the motorist to actually pay the fee, then you might have had a point.The fridge is empty, the walls are damp, there's no hot water
And I look like a tramp and tramps like us
Baby we were born to walk0 -
:rotfl:Parking Eye tried to nab me in September last year. I got a letter from them saying I had stayed 12 mins longer than my 'free 2 hours' - they believed i owed them £60 (really, in a free-car park with no payment facilties??!;)) Anyway, I ignored it completely - no trying to contact them to settle etc, just plain old ignored them. I got about three letters - each trying to look more official than the last with it's little black and white checked stripes and mention of court, a solicitor and potential reposession of property - yawn. I ignored it all and then since end of October (where i apparently 'owe' £120) nothing!
Stay strong ignore it, they can only sue for losses incurred and I think at 2am they are unlikely to have incurred any losses, particularly as there were probably loads of empty spaces i'd guess.
Those little stripey bits of paper is only good for lining a budgies cage.0
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