NHS Dental fine of £350 but never received letters

spacey2012

No the rules are the same, they allow certain agencies to create a civil penalty charge, which is in legal terms an offer to pay them a fee for processing the notice .
If you refuse, they can apply to the court for a CCJ for non payment of the notice, then it can be enforced same as any other debt via the county court bailiffs.
Councils tax has a statutory liability order process which these civil penalties do not, so is completely different.
A few websites exist that spell out your actual rights in regards to civil bailiffs and how to re-pell them in to sending the debt back to the people issuing it who generally give it up as a bad job.
It is not the stuff of the fearing general public who are trained to roll over and show a soft underbelly the first sign of authority, but for those that use it it works.

spacey2012

goater78 wrote: »

Sorry thats wrong. Its a penalty charge that the NHS can legally use if a patient doesn't pay on time.


A penalty charge is a civil penalty charge, DVLA, NHS, Schools, councils can create them, but they remain a civil debt that has to be enforced via the County Court.
Only a judge or magistrate can issue a fine which can be collected via the warrants office.
Learning the differences between Fines and penalty charges will be a whole new opening to your knowledge.

System

spacey2012 wrote: »

goater78 wrote: »

Sorry thats wrong. Its a penalty charge that the NHS can legally use if a patient doesn't pay on time.


A penalty charge is a civil penalty charge, DVLA, NHS, Schools, councils can create them, but they remain a civil debt that has to be enforced via the County Court.
Only a judge or magistrate can issue a fine which can be collected via the warrants office.
Learning the differences between Fines and penalty charges will be a whole new opening to your knowledge.

You're wrong, just accept it and move on....

spacey2012

No sorry, I pointed out the difference between penalty charges and fines.
This may be at odds with your authority stance upon life. but they are completely separate and certainly not the same as council tax.
If you do not pay a Fine, the police can come with a warrant and take you back to court where you can be jailed.
If you dont pay a penalty charge, they have to enforce via the County court system options and large fat men called bailiffs will turn up and bully you in to paying it.
They are a world apart.
Only a judge or a Magistrate sitting upon oath to HMQ can issue anyone with a fine.
That is our law and it is a bloody good job it is with all these tinpot authorities trying to get in on the act.

brook2jack

Unfortunately wrongly claiming exemption from dental treatment costs etc can also be a criminal offence .

There has been a massive impetus this last year to recover money when people have wrongly claimed for free dental treatment. Over £1,000,000 in the last year alone I believe. The nhs business service agency is under huge pressure not to just roll over, and to reclaim this money for the health service.

System

spacey2012 wrote: »

No sorry, I pointed out the difference between penalty charges and fines.
This may be at odds with your authority stance upon life. but they are completely separate and certainly not the same as council tax.
If you do not pay a Fine, the police can come with a warrant and take you back to court where you can be jailed.
If you dont pay a penalty charge, they have to enforce via the County court system options and large fat men called bailiffs will turn up and bully you in to paying it.
They are a world apart.
Only a judge or a Magistrate sitting upon oath to HMQ can issue anyone with a fine.
That is our law and it is a bloody good job it is with all these tinpot authorities trying to get in on the act.

The problem is you are rabbiting on about fines when that is not the issue in this thread. The OP has already corrected themselves and said they have been issued with a penalty charge not a fine. Halibut said that the NHS cannot issue penalty charges which has since been proved to be incorrect. They have accepted this and posted a link.

You're getting hung up on the word "fine" which as already discussed is not whats been issued here. Fines are different to penalty notices (as you keep banging on about).

spacey2012

Now your rambling ?
Lets move on.

System

spacey2012 wrote: »

Now your rambling ?
Lets move on.

Finally.........

spacey2012

wealdroam wrote: »

Nobody except a court can fine you.

Nobody except a court can issue a CCJ.

CCJ = County Court Judgement.

Wasting your breath mate !

You are correct, but the folk on here do not want to hear it.
Ignorance is strength these days.

System

spacey2012 wrote: »

Wasting your breath mate !

You are correct, but the folk on here do not want to hear it.
Ignorance is strength these days.

So you don't want to let it go.....

Again the OP was not issued with a fine. Don't let the facts get in the way though