New benefit cap....coming in summer 2013

princessdon

I am shocked that people support out of work benefits of more than a £35K wage.

given there is a 12 month leeway to find work for those who lose their job through no fault of their own and only applies after 12 mos unemployment.

I can't see how people can justify this when many workers don't earn nearly near as much and pay tax to support them.

benefitbaby

I agree with the cap but I also believe that people who have barriers to work e.g. long-term ill/disabled and are likely to have additional costs (electric, gas, water, housing costs etc) should receive more. I say this because statistics and evidence has proven that without sufficient resources it costs more to the NHS in the long term.

The cap won’t apply to households where a partner or any dependant child qualify for Working Tax Credit or receive any of the following:

• Disability Living Allowance
• Personal Independence Payment
• Attendance Allowance
• Industrial Injuries Benefits
• Employment Support Allowance, if paid with the support component
• Armed Forces Compensation Scheme payments
• War Pension Scheme payments (including War Widow’s/Widower’s Pension and War disablement Pension).

princessdon

benefitbaby wrote: »

I agree with the cap but I also believe that people who have barriers to work e.g. long-term ill/disabled and are likely to have additional costs (electric, gas, water, housing costs etc) should receive more. I say this because statistics and evidence has proven that without sufficient resources it costs more to the NHS in the long term.


The cap won’t apply to households where a partner or any dependant child qualify for Working Tax Credit or receive any of the following:

• Disability Living Allowance
• Personal Independence Payment
• Attendance Allowance
• Industrial Injuries Benefits
• Employment Support Allowance, if paid with the support component
• Armed Forces Compensation Scheme payments
• War Pension Scheme payments (including War Widow’s/Widower’s Pension and War disablement Pension).

but the majority of those you say should get additional help will be on ESA support or DLA so are not affected.

In reality you can't say fairer than that can you?

Add to that short term unemployed are also exempt for 12 months it seems a very fair scheme to me.

benefitbaby

Sorry maybe I didn't explain myself well... (happens often)

The average working family (according to the government) earns £26k a year, this does not include benefits they may receive in top like CB, CTC, WTC, HB etc.

If benefits are limited to £26k this is total income, so the people affected by the cap will not be better off than the working, they will in the main be receiving significantly less (which is the goal). In inner cities they will be massively impacted because of housing costs and will have to use money normally considered essential living benefits to keep a roof over their head. We all know that there is a shortage of housing and what there is, is too costly... but that's another issue.

bestpud

benefitbaby wrote: »

Sorry maybe I didn't explain myself well... (happens often)

The average working family (according to the government) earns £26k a year, this does not include benefits they may receive in top like CB, CTC, WTC, HB etc.

If benefits are limited to £26k this is total income, so the people affected by the cap will not be better off than the working, they will in the main be receiving significantly less (which is the goal). In inner cities they will be massively impacted because of housing costs and will have to use money normally considered essential living benefits to keep a roof over their head. We all know that there is a shortage of housing and what there is, is too costly... but that's another issue.

The working family will pay tax on their own £26000 though and won't be eligible for all the fringe benefits such as free prescriptions and school meals.

paddedjohn

bestpud wrote: »

The working family will pay tax on their own £26000 though and won't be eligible for all the fringe benefits such as free prescriptions and school meals.

And they will be knackered every day due to working for their money.

justlooking2012

Working tax credits has to be the most stupidest idea ever. Tesco for example mostly only employ part time staff as its less outgoings for them and they know the government will prop up the wages.
I could say a whole lot more but when im honest on this site my comments disappear an hour later

sammyjammy

benefitbaby wrote: »

Sorry maybe I didn't explain myself well... (happens often)

The average working family (according to the government) earns £26k a year, this does not include benefits they may receive in top like CB, CTC, WTC, HB etc.

If benefits are limited to £26k this is total income, so the people affected by the cap will not be better off than the working, they will in the main be receiving significantly less (which is the goal). In inner cities they will be massively impacted because of housing costs and will have to use money normally considered essential living benefits to keep a roof over their head. We all know that there is a shortage of housing and what there is, is too costly... but that's another issue.

But for the worker the £26k is gross of deductions and for the benefit claimant its net so not a fair comparison.

helena88

I think there are too many single parents these days. Nearly all my childrens friends are from single parent families including myself. Things have changed couples dont try hard enough to make their marriages work these days. When i was young it was unusual to see a single parent. And those that were they were classed as poor they didnt get what we get now for being a single parent.