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  • zeupater
    zeupater Posts: 5,390 Forumite
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    Martyn1981 wrote: »
    <Ring .. Ring ...>
    Hello ...
    Yes, good morning, I'm ringing to enquire what your best price for bulk deliveries of panels to my farm would be ...
    Yes sir, we can supply whatever you want, how many units would you be looking for ? ...
    Oh, depending on size ... about 1.2 million
    .... Stop wasting my time ...
    <Clunk> ... (line goes dead) ...

    Now then ... after the :eek: do you own up to your boss that you've just made the worst decision in the company's history - or just keep quiet ?? ... :o

    Z ... :wall:_pale_:cool:
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    B)
  • Martyn1981 wrote: »

    Somewhere near the coast eh? My bet is down in Dorset, where I seem to recall an offshore wind farm which got curtailed.

    My GF has started helicopter lessons from Hurn Airport and she's been videoing her lessons for homework. I never realised how many PV farms there already are around and near the circuit there.

    In other solar news it looks like this will be the first week since around March/April that I'll have to put the GCH on for hot water. Not too bothered, although I'd have liked to have made October, and only 6 units used since the 8th March isn't bad going.
  • Cardew
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    I never realised how many PV farms there already are around and near the circuit there.

    It seems the opposition to solar PV farms, on all manner of grounds, was not valid.
  • zeupater
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    Cardew wrote: »
    It seems the opposition to solar PV farms, on all manner of grounds, was not valid.
    As it seems opposition to solar PV was not valid .. why continue to harp-on in selective opposition to solar on a solar thread when events and history inform us that the arguments you continually raised against solar PV became irrelevant years ago, yet they're still raised ...

    Anyone would think that you have (or had) a considerable interest in the continuation of centralised energy generation ...

    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    B)
  • Martyn1981
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    Big news on PV today. Subsidy free PV farm!

    No info (I can find yet) if it's straight supply, or PPA, but a very interesting point is the mention that it's only viable today due to the storage element, so a double win, and a knock for the storage deniers (who've recently moved from denying off-shore wind, having moved from PV, having moved from on-shore wind).

    This summer was greenest ever for energy, says National Grid

    Anesco lays claim to UK’s first subsidy-free solar farm

    The government cost estimates for 2030 are not looking too good now, especially if we see on-shore wind start to go subsidy free in 2018.
    This is the Gov't prediction for 2030.
    Onshore wind to be in the range £45-72/MWh
    Offshore wind will be in the range £85-109/MWh
    For solar they predict £59-73/MW,
    Nuclear will be £69-99/MWh.
    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • michaels
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    edited 26 September 2017 at 12:23PM
    Martyn1981 wrote: »
    Big news on PV today. Subsidy free PV farm!

    No info (I can find yet) if it's straight supply, or PPA, but a very interesting point is the mention that it's only viable today due to the storage element, so a double win, and a knock for the storage deniers (who've recently moved from denying off-shore wind, having moved from PV, having moved from on-shore wind).

    This summer was greenest ever for energy, says National Grid

    Anesco lays claim to UK’s first subsidy-free solar farm

    The government cost estimates for 2030 are not looking too good now, especially if we see on-shore wind start to go subsidy free in 2018.
    Probably worth noting that those govt projections are not subsidy figures but expected cost per unit thus £45 per mwh might not need a subsidy if the market price was higher than this.

    IE if the guaranteed price is £59 then the subsidy would only be the difference between the average selling price and £59 not the whole £59 (unless the selling price was zero).

    Thus (strictly for example) if the strike price for an offshore wind project was £57.50 and for a nuclear project was £102.50 and the actual per unit market price for the output was £60 then the wind project would get no subsidy whereas the nuclear plant would receive a subsidy of £42.50 per unit or about 170% of the market price....
    I think....
  • zeupater
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    michaels wrote: »
    Probably worth noting that those govt projections are not subsidy figures but expected cost per unit thus £45 per mwh might not need a subsidy if the market price was higher than this.
    Hi

    Yes, but no, but yes, but .... the prices which were given were based on being guaranteed under CFD, therefore actually would receive a subsidy if supplying below the floor price ...

    The solar PV farm mentioned in the article meets the criteria by supplying during daylight hours plus holding stored energy to meet peak demand, therefore receiving the best unit price ... however, the important point is that there's no price guarantee involved and the scheme theoretically needs to compete for sales in an open market ...

    HTH
    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    B)
  • KevinG
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    2kWp Solar PV - 10*200W Kioto, SMA Sunny Boy 2000HF, SSE facing, some shading in winter, 37° pitch, installed Jun-2011, inverter replaced Sep-2017 AND Feb-2022.
  • Martyn1981
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    London Fire Brigade trialling new solar panel fire safety spray
    PVStop, manufactured by Australian firm PVStop international, is a black liquid polymer that can be sprayed onto solar panels from an extinguisher. When sprayed, the solution coats the panels “like a liquid tarpaulin”, stopping them from generating an electrical current.

    Once discharged the environmentally friendly and non-toxic solution solidifies and becomes water resistant in just minutes. Once the incident has been dealt with the hardened solution can simply be peeled off the panels, with the manufacturer claiming this can be done so without damaging the panels.
    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Martyn1981 wrote: »

    I wonder if this will lift any muck/bird poo on the panels?
    For those stubborn pigeon/seagull dumps that won't budge by jetwash alone, use new PV Poo Stop :D
    4kWp, SSE, SolarEdge P300 optimisers & SE3500 Inverter, in occasionally sunny Corby, Northants.
    Now with added Sunsynk 5kw hybrid ecco inverter & 15kWh Fogstar batteries. Oh Octopus Energy too.
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