Cameron hopes to win back disaffected Tory voters...

DecentLivingWage

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i will abstain, or possibly vote UKIP in protest. I don't agree with all of what they say, but i like Farage and their tax policy makes a LOT of sense.

How do you feel about Cameron insulting your intelligence today, as a proposed Ukip voter? And belittling Farage.... I think it will backfire...

The_White_Horse

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

How do you feel about Cameron insulting your intelligence today, as a proposed Ukip voter? And belittling Farage.... I think it will backfire...

i think it might. the problem with cameron is that he is wet. he tries to be everything to everyone, and is actually nothing to no one.

tories hate him, labour hate him, clegg hates him, the public hate him. as for osbourne? that is a whole other story...

tories have to dump him and get boris in to have any chance of winning.

farage is pretty sensible of most (not all) subjects, and the more tory element of the tories will probably vote for him.

i can see labour getting the most votes, but not enough. i can see lib dems being utterly obliterated. will a coalition form with lab and con? i can see labour teaming up with ukip for a laugh to spite the tories and actually have some decent policies whilst "blaming" ukip for them.

Mrs_Bones

With the way voting is rigged in this country I can't see UKIP gaining many seats thought they might get one or two. What there is a real danger of them doing to the Conservatives is splitting the votes and taking their core people away so that the Conservatives don't win the seats they expect too.

I really don't see Cameron winning another term at this moment in time. It's not just the policies which I mostly personally disagree with but the fact that Cameron is becoming a real minus point in his own party. People like my dad are life long Tory voters yet he's saying there is no way he'll vote Conservative again while Cameron is still in charge and he's giving his vote to UKIP. Losing people like that is what will do the damage to them and Cameron is taking them for granted.

StevieJ

Mrs_Bones wrote: »

With the way voting is rigged in this country I can't see UKIP gaining many seats thought they might get one or two. What there is a real danger of them doing to the Conservatives is splitting the votes and taking their core people away so that the Conservatives don't win the seats they expect too.

I really don't see Cameron winning another term at this moment in time. It's not just the policies which I mostly personally disagree with but the fact that Cameron is becoming a real minus point in his own party. People like my dad are life long Tory voters yet he's saying there is no way he'll vote Conservative again while Cameron is still in charge and he's giving his vote to UKIP. Losing people like that is what will do the damage to them and Cameron is taking them for granted.

Don't worry he will have a suitable EU policy available for the next election, when I say suitable, I mean for him not necessarily for the rest of us

GeorgeHowell

Mrs_Bones wrote: »

With the way voting is rigged in this country I can't see UKIP gaining many seats thought they might get one or two. What there is a real danger of them doing to the Conservatives is splitting the votes and taking their core people away so that the Conservatives don't win the seats they expect too.

I really don't see Cameron winning another term at this moment in time. It's not just the policies which I mostly personally disagree with but the fact that Cameron is becoming a real minus point in his own party. People like my dad are life long Tory voters yet he's saying there is no way he'll vote Conservative again while Cameron is still in charge and he's giving his vote to UKIP. Losing people like that is what will do the damage to them and Cameron is taking them for granted.

Tell your dad that he's a stubborn and misguided old fool who needs to start living in the real world then. Voting UKIP and letting Milliband and Balls in would render all Tory supporters immeasurably worse of than under any Cameron-led government, on Europe and on pretty much any other issue.

michaels

The_White_Horse wrote: »

this CB farce only affects possible tory voters. The man is an utter fool. Labour, lying thieving scum they are, at least knew that you don't kill the goose that lays your golden eggs.

This CB joke saves almost nothing, alienates their own voters and won't buy them ONE single vote from the lower classes or women.

It is beyond stupid.

Clown removed the 10% tax rate on low earners hitting 100% labour core voters...why? cos they will vote labour whatever.

Wake up and smell the coffee.


OTH may be it is a double bluff - the Tory strategy is that all publicity relating to the child benefit change is good publicity because it highlights the only 'we are all in it together' policy they have enacted which plays very well with the key swing constituency of 20-40k earners; so perhaps TWH following his Tory leanings is determined to protest noisily, just like DLW but slightly more subbtle?

Mrs_Bones

StevieJ wrote: »

Don't worry he will have a suitable EU policy available for the next election, when I say suitable, I mean for him not necessarily for the rest of us

....but will he be believed given his last cast iron guarantee? I don't think Cameron wants to be tough on Europe, it's just another of his smoke and mirror PR images. He definitely doesn't want to leave the EU, he's said that.

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Tell your dad that he's a stubborn and misguided old fool who needs to start living in the real world then. Voting UKIP and letting Milliband and Balls in would render all Tory supporters immeasurably worse of than under any Cameron-led government, on Europe and on pretty much any other issue.

:rotfl: I've been telling my dad he's a stubborn old fool for years. It never makes a blind bit of difference to what he does.


I think Cameron has got a plan to offer free money for child care which such go someway to help give back to those who have lost money on CB. It won't help those couples though where one has chosen to stay at home to raise their children. So much for his talk on being family friendly. It also makes the savings they claimed would be made from the CB less and when you add on the amount HMRC are saying it is going to cost to administer the system, I'd love to know what the precise savings there will be from this CB change when all that is taken into account. If you make rough policy on the back of envelopes in order to steal headlines at a party conference you shouldn't be surprised when they fall apart.

The_White_Horse

as i have always said from day one - my issue is the unfairness with which this has been implemented. not the policy itself. of course, i don't want to lose the money - who would????

old smooth face has shot himself in the foot with this one.

Linton

So we are all agreed. In the Tories we have a party that does not satisfy its supporters, clearly no longer has guiding beliefs or principles, and is self evidently incapable of putting into effect its most important policies without falling over the law of unintended consequences at the first hurdle. I preferred the old Tories - hang 'em, flog 'em, send 'em home, rivers of blood, put the workers in their place, send unmarried mothers to the workhouse,"one of us", a grammar school education followed by university for the elite and a dead end secondary modern with a labouring job for the masses etc etc. At least one could really despise them and all they stood for. Now all one can do is pity them.

I guess it doesnt really matter. Slowly but steadily they are losing their natural constituencies. The old upper class are irrelevant and the formerly minority office-workers are now the majority and so can no longer have realistic expectations of above average wealth and privilege.

GeorgeHowell

Linton wrote: »

So we are all agreed. In the Tories we have a party that does not satisfy its supporters, clearly no longer has guiding beliefs or principles, and is self evidently incapable of putting into effect its most important policies without falling over the law of unintended consequences at the first hurdle. I preferred the old Tories - hang 'em, flog 'em, send 'em home, rivers of blood, put the workers in their place, send unmarried mothers to the workhouse,"one of us", a grammar school education followed by university for the elite and a dead end secondary modern with a labouring job for the masses etc etc. At least one could really despise them and all they stood for. Now all one can do is pity them.

I guess it doesnt really matter. Slowly but steadily they are losing their natural constituencies. The old upper class are irrelevant and the formerly minority office-workers are now the majority and so can no longer have realistic expectations of above average wealth and privilege.

No, of course we are not all agreed.

What a load of mealy-mouthed, off the cuff, propagandising tosh that all is.