think tank thinks child benefit change is a farce

BobQ

chemical.galaxy wrote: »

My family is 'losing' £60.50 CB per week from 7th Jan - we have opted out of receiving CB rather than fill in a tax return. So that's the equivalent of an 8% pay cut for my partner - great start to 2013.

I cannot see why one person earning above £60k should be penalised in this way whilst a family with a combined income of almost £100k is unaffected if neither parent earns over £50k.
It is sheer incompetence on the part of the government to say that it would be too costly to look at joint family earnings in order to implement what they are claiming is a 'fair' cut.

I do believe that we need to make savings but this is not an equitable cut but merely Cameron and Osborne playing politics in order to suggest that the better off (invariably the most hard-working of out society) must be seen to be paying thier 'fair share' as well so as to appear a more caring party and to appease the Lib Dems.

I thought that the Conservatives treasure family values. And I supported the idea that married couples should benefit through the tax system - David Cameron promised this in the party manifesto.
However, the party has reneged on this promise and is pursuing policies which were not in the manifesto, again to suggest that it is a caring party.

So hard working people will suffer as a consequence of this cut. I do not support the way in which it has been implemented and I cannot tolerate the hypocrisy of not just the Conservative party, but politics and politicians in general.

That's my bit anyway. I did not vote Conservative in the last election and I certainly never will!

Its interesting that well paid and articulate person cannot be bothered to complete a tax return. It just goes to show that when such things are means tested for the less well off how easily they can be put off by adding some paperwork to deter them from claiming

chemical.galaxy

BobQ wrote: »

Its interesting that well paid and articulate person cannot be bothered to complete a tax return. It just goes to show that when such things are means tested for the less well off how easily they can be put off by adding some paperwork to deter them from claiming

I am self employed and complete a tax return every year. Quite happy to claim for CB but what is the point of receiving money if it's going to be reclaimed again from my partner - somehow I don't think he will like that!

My partner is the one who earns way more than me, is out of the house 12 hours a day and has pushed us over limit to claim CB, he certainly is not about to start filling out a tax return.

I do not believe any party in power will have a more detrimental effect on my and my families quality of life than the Conservatives therefore I will do everything I can to ensure that they do not win the next election.

grizzly1911

chemical.galaxy wrote: »

I am self employed and complete a tax return every year. Quite happy to claim for CB but what is the point of receiving money if it's going to be reclaimed again from my partner - somehow I don't think he will like that!

My partner is the one who earns way more than me, is out of the house 12 hours a day and has pushed us over limit to claim CB, he certainly is not about to start filling out a tax return.

I do not believe any party in power will have a more detrimental effect on my and my families quality of life than the Conservatives therefore I will do everything I can to ensure that they do not win the next election.

I may be wrong but I think Bob was really saying if you were put off, as a capable intelligent couple, just how many less capable individuals will feel unable to claim for means tested welfare. Such as pensioners having to claim WFA, rumoured a possibility.

Out of interest if it is 8% cut for your partner is that against net salary?

chemical.galaxy

We lose just over £3000 untaxed CB so yes net income.

DecentLivingWage

chemical.galaxy wrote: »

I am self employed and complete a tax return every year. Quite happy to claim for CB but what is the point of receiving money if it's going to be reclaimed again from my partner - somehow I don't think he will like that!

My partner is the one who earns way more than me, is out of the house 12 hours a day and has pushed us over limit to claim CB, he certainly is not about to start filling out a tax return.

I do not believe any party in power will have a more detrimental effect on my and my families quality of life than the Conservatives therefore I will do everything I can to ensure that they do not win the next election.

Shock news to cheer you up (Catastrophic Euro elections poll for the Cons out tomorrow - Labour surge to 35%,Ukip push Cons down to 3rd place,Lib Dem disintegrating at 8%)

BobQ

grizzly1911 wrote: »

I may be wrong but I think Bob was really saying if you were put off, as a capable intelligent couple, just how many less capable individuals will feel unable to claim for means tested welfare. Such as pensioners having to claim WFA, rumoured a possibility.

Out of interest if it is 8% cut for your partner is that against net salary?

Grizzly thanks for clarifying for me. That was just what I was trying to say. I have seen many people fail to claim things because they either did not understand the form or were afraid by the concept of the means test.

BobQ

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Shock news to cheer you up (Catastrophic Euro elections poll for the Cons out tomorrow - Labour surge to 35%,Ukip push Cons down to 3rd place,Lib Dem disintegrating at 8%)

THis one

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jan/12/britain-leave-eu-power-pol

is a little contrary to the one you cite

Meanwhile, Labour and the Conservatives both see gains in the first poll of 2013, while the Ukip surge may have peaked.
Labour are on 41%, the first time they have passed 40% since the end of October, while the Conservatives rise to 31% after over a month of being on 29%.
Nigel Farage's Ukip drop back to 12%, ending a recent surge but still putting them five points ahead of the
Lib Dems, who drop to 7%, the lowest figure Opinium have ever recorded for the party.

• Opinium Research carried out an online survey of 1,964 British adults aged 18+ from 8-11 January 2013. Results have been weighted to nationally representative criteria. Full polling results are available here.

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GeorgeHowell

Anyone who is Euro-sceptic is well advised to vote UKIP in the Euro elections. It makes no difference to anything in the real world, but it provides a superb wake-up call to the other parties to show how sick so many people are at being jerked around by these a*******s in Brussels.

Wookster

The_White_Horse wrote: »

you miss the point entirely. address the points I raised - oh, you can't can you - as if you do, you would have to admit I am correct rather than spout your lefty nonsense.

You're the benefit scrounging good for nothing scumbag and you call me a leftie? Clearly you don't know irony when you see it.

Moron.

coastline

Welfare spending....bit of a myth by the looks of it...
Those sharp peaks are recessions..1980..1992..2010.
Maybe another reason for reducing it...hmmmm..