think tank thinks child benefit change is a farce

John_Pierpoint

asturdy2 wrote: »

the easy way to do this would have been to scrap child benfit and put the money into child tax credits. This way it would have been judged on household income.

That is the old system.
The caring mothers found it insulting .
The working father smoked & drank it.
Hence the desire to give it to the carer.
That system carries on but at the end of the tax year the parent earning over £50k will be chased to do a tax return.

This has been in the offing for months now - tax is just a bundle of rules - nobody has ever expected it to be "fair".

wotsthat

The_White_Horse wrote: »

you miss the point entirely. address the points I raised - oh, you can't can you - as if you do, you would have to admit I am correct rather than spout your lefty nonsense.

The point is the government are trying to stop wasting money by giving middle-class people benefits they don't need (unless the taxpayer funding your kids ISA contributions can be called 'need').

A family with a £50k earner doesn't need child benefit and never should've had it.

A family with two earners on £49k don't need it either. Hopefully during the next series of U-turns this will be rectified.

The tax system was never perfect, never will be and will always be a work in progress - get over it.

Zero_Sum

The_White_Horse wrote: »

never has their been a bigger own goal scored by a govt than this crazy mess.

wouldn't it have been simpler and cheaper to just scrap the benefit altogether and give those with children a larger tax code so people can simply keep more of THEIR OWN money?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20912269

what a cretin that osbourne is.

So what you are saying is that the unemployed & low paid PT workers shouldn't get CB?

Zero_Sum

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Funny how all the lefties can't bring themselves to rejoice in better off people having a benefit removed because it was a Conservative led government that brought it in. Tribalistic nonsense again from the left.

Funny, as you couldn't be further from the truth.

The complaints are due entirely due to the farcical way this is being implemented.

The_White_Horse

Zero_Sum wrote: »

So what you are saying is that the unemployed & low paid PT workers shouldn't get CB?

exactly! pay nothing in, get nothing out.

Zero_Sum

The_White_Horse wrote: »

exactly! pay nothing in, get nothing out.

I suppose you also believe we should bring back the workhouses?


You have to be wind up fake poster IMO

The_White_Horse

national INSURANCE - i have never had a policy pay out that I have not paid the premium for. Have you?

The_White_Horse

and i know CB is technically not from NI but who cares, its all the same pot really.

Zero_Sum

The_White_Horse wrote: »

national INSURANCE - i have never had a policy pay out that I have not paid the premium for. Have you?

What are you rambling on about. NI is just Income tax anyway.

Personally I haven't received a penny (cash benefits, before you get pedantic) from the state

chemical.galaxy

My family is 'losing' £60.50 CB per week from 7th Jan - we have opted out of receiving CB rather than fill in a tax return. So that's the equivalent of an 8% pay cut for my partner - great start to 2013.

I cannot see why one person earning above £60k should be penalised in this way whilst a family with a combined income of almost £100k is unaffected if neither parent earns over £50k.
It is sheer incompetence on the part of the government to say that it would be too costly to look at joint family earnings in order to implement what they are claiming is a 'fair' cut.

I do believe that we need to make savings but this is not an equitable cut but merely Cameron and Osborne playing politics in order to suggest that the better off (invariably the most hard-working of out society) must be seen to be paying thier 'fair share' as well so as to appear a more caring party and to appease the Lib Dems.

I thought that the Conservatives treasure family values. And I supported the idea that married couples should benefit through the tax system - David Cameron promised this in the party manifesto.
However, the party has reneged on this promise and is pursuing policies which were not in the manifesto, again to suggest that it is a caring party.

So hard working people will suffer as a consequence of this cut. I do not support the way in which it has been implemented and I cannot tolerate the hypocrisy of not just the Conservative party, but politics and politicians in general.

That's my bit anyway. I did not vote Conservative in the last election and I certainly never will!