Labour To Bring In Proper Paid Guaranteed Jobs For Jobless Long Termers

Carl31

A question, loosely connected to this thread
Why is it the government cannot create paid jobs in the public sector, out of benefits paid? ie if someone gets £100 benefits for not working a month, that cannot be in return for 14 hours work at minimum wage? At least it might also encourage motivation to work,

Gentile

What about single mums sitting at home and popping one out every year ? No schemes for them to do some work ?

N1AK

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

That assumes that the whole 130,000 are found work, and above all prove able to hold down jobs -- we'll see. I notice that it excludes the under 25s and those on invalidity benefits. Why ? Possible because the under 25s are deemed to be mostly unemployable, and that Labour would not want to admit that many of the so called invalid are in fact capable of working.

No it assumes that 130,000 people are covered by the scheme. Even if the end result is 30,000 finding jobs and 30,000 getting benefits docked £10pw it'd be a saving of £125,000,000 a year (+30,000 more jobs).

All the whining your managing to do about it not being a solution to all the ills of the world doesn't stop it being a good idea which in itself could be beneficial and could also act as a step on the path to greater reforms.

They've already proposed a scheme for under 25s though frankly it doesn't shock me that your ignorant of, or playing ignorant about, this.

princeofpounds

Who pays?

I believe the idea is to cut back on tax relief for pension contributions to fund this idea.

Of course that's a pretty stupid thing to do, because tax relief is pretty much the only reason people invest in pensions, and we don't have enough pension savings as it is.

But don't worry, we can all rely on the state pension!

ILW

N1AK wrote: »

No it assumes that 130,000 people are covered by the scheme. Even if the end result is 30,000 finding jobs and 30,000 getting benefits docked £10pw it'd be a saving of £125,000,000 a year (+30,000 more jobs).

All the whining your managing to do about it not being a solution to all the ills of the world doesn't stop it being a good idea which in itself could be beneficial and could also act as a step on the path to greater reforms.

They've already proposed a scheme for under 25s though frankly it doesn't shock me that your ignorant of, or playing ignorant about, this.

But what if the placing of these say 30,000 people in jobs, means another 30,000 losing their jobs?
What has been gained?

System

So there are "real" jobs waiting to be done, the only problem is that they are not economical at the NMW rate of payment?
Providing a subsidy will make up the shortfall, and a job will now be worth creating?
Doesn't that imply that NMW is too high, and is pricing people out of work?

N1AK

ILW wrote: »

But what if the placing of these say 30,000 people in jobs, means another 30,000 losing their jobs?
What has been gained?

What would happen if the world fell off Atlas shoulder!?!?! I'll answer your imaginary problem right after you answer mine

N1AK

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

So there are "real" jobs waiting to be done, the only problem is that they are not economical at the NMW rate of payment?
Providing a subsidy will make up the shortfall, and a job will now be worth creating?
Doesn't that imply that NMW is too high, and is pricing people out of work?

Arguably there are jobs waiting to be done that people wouldn't wish to employ long term unemployed into or that the long term unemployed aren't actively seeking.

Mallotum_X

Conrad wrote: »

Eastern Europeans are still comming here, finding work and slowly building from there, without need of some sort of special scheme.

They must have super human powers I guess......:rotfl:

Or less of a feeling of entitlement.

Work exists, its often low paid and not that good, but thats always been the case. Sadly dirty low paid jobs are beneath many.

GeorgeHowell

N1AK wrote: »

They've already proposed a scheme for under 25s though frankly it doesn't shock me that your ignorant of, or playing ignorant about, this.

Nor does it shock me that you finish your weak argument by trying to boost it up with a personal snipe.