Labour To Bring In Proper Paid Guaranteed Jobs For Jobless Long Termers

DecentLivingWage

So, to briskly bring this thread back bang on topic (for genuine work seekers who actually need Labour's good news,encouragement and information) :

'The Labour scheme would initially apply to 129,400 adults over the age of 25 who have been out of work for 24 months or more. The scheme would apply to those on jobseeker's allowance (JSA), but not disabled people on employment support allowance (ESA). All those on the scheme would be paid the minimum wage.'

Dignity, Respect,Self Esteem, Confidence, Growth !

DecentLivingWage

So, to briskly bring this thread back bang on topic (for genuine work seekers who actually need Labour's good news,encouragement and information) :

'The Labour scheme would initially apply to 129,400 adults over the age of 25 who have been out of work for 24 months or more. The scheme would apply to those on jobseeker's allowance (JSA), but not disabled people on employment support allowance (ESA). All those on the scheme would be paid the minimum wage.'

Dignity, Respect,Self Esteem, Confidence, Growth !

GeorgeHowell

I seem to remember that when a work for welfare proposal was floated by the coalition a while back the lefties screamed blue murder about how unfair (they love that one don't they) and degrading it would be. They certainly did not see it engendering dignity, respect, self esteem, confidence, growth.

Those things actually depend on a thriving, growing, and competitive private sector, producing most of the things that people actually want and need, engendering growth and increased unemployment, increasing beneficial foreign trade, and thus increasing the national confidence and quality of life.

This depends among other things on a smaller, more efficient and more effective public sector in order to reduce the burden of taxation, relinquishing the bucket of sand around the national neck that the EU represents, ceasing the lunacy that a comfortable life on welfare can be an acceptable lifestyle choice, changing government (ie civil service) attitudes such that the whole private sector is supported and helped rather than just their friends in the financial services sector, and fixing the dumbed-down state education system which turns out so many unmotivated unemployables.

angrypirate

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

So, to briskly bring this thread back bang on topic (for genuine work seekers who actually need Labour's good news,encouragement and information) :

'The Labour scheme would initially apply to 129,400 adults over the age of 25 who have been out of work for 24 months or more. The scheme would apply to those on jobseeker's allowance (JSA), but not disabled people on employment support allowance (ESA). All those on the scheme would be paid the minimum wage.'

Dignity, Respect,Self Esteem, Confidence, Growth !

Where are these 129,400 jobs coming from? Or are these more non jobs being paid for by us, the taxpayer?

Surely a more sensible answer is to deport all unskilled immigrant workers - should create a good million or so vacancies i reckon.

Conrad

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

If it worked in the US, well it seems Obama Right,Osborne Wrong?

I'd father rather be in steady Britain than have America's vast debt burden hanging over the place.

We've taken a more cautious measured approach and the markets tell us we're doing the right thing hence our low borrowing rates.

The economy is turning and on a steady footing, more exports, more inward investment and we put on proportionally more jobs than the US last year.

Conrad

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

So, to briskly bring this thread back bang on topic (for genuine work seekers who actually need Labour's good news,encouragement and information) :

'The Labour scheme would initially apply to 129,400 adults over the age of 25 who have been out of work for 24 months or more. The scheme would apply to those on jobseeker's allowance (JSA), but not disabled people on employment support allowance (ESA). All those on the scheme would be paid the minimum wage.'

Dignity, Respect,Self Esteem, Confidence, Growth !

Eastern Europeans are still comming here, finding work and slowly building from there, without need of some sort of special scheme.

They must have super human powers I guess......:rotfl:

N1AK

Rinoa wrote: »

Labour are only offering it to those over 25 and out of work for 2 or more years. That's around 125,000.

So no help whatsoever for over 2,00,000 currently unemployed.

Nice headline for them though.

I actually think it is a fantastic idea, a novelty for Labour. They've already proposed other ideas for under 25s btw.

It might not be exactly what they are proposing but if you subsidised 50% of the wage for someone to do 30 hours a week at minimum wage then it would cost the government £92.85 per week rather than ~£71 in job seekers allowance.

So for £568 in government spending you give someone a job for 6 months. They get paid more and it helps with economic growth. A great side effect is that if this is backed up with real teeth anyone who refuses the scheme or intentionally sabotages the opportunity can have their benefits decreased. If you took £10 per week off someone them then that could be used to fund another job placement for someone else each year.

Obviously you'll get some people claiming that doing this would lead to people being fired so companies can take on subsidised labour but I honestly don't think that'll happen. The savings from discounted labour are unlikely to completely outweigh the training and retention issues.

GeorgeHowell

Conrad wrote: »

Eastern Europeans are still comming here, finding work and slowly building from there, without need of some sort of special scheme.

They must have super human powers I guess......:rotfl:

Absolutely right. The explanation is of course that those British with no get up and go or self respect are often able to live an acceptably comfortable life on welfare - so why bother to compete for jobs with the Lithuanians ? Coupled with that swathes of our state education system seem to be as good at turning out welfare claimants as they do at turning out the workforce of the next generation. I notice that Cameron and others have recently talked about the need for more business and enterprise training in schools (but not on the national curriculum - I expect the Lib Dems have vetoed that). It would serve our children a lot better than whole terms of lessons about the peasants' revolt or the slave trade.

N1AK

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

I saw a number of 130,000 quoted -- isn't that a drop in the ocean compared with the real level of endemic unemployment ? A lot of the reason for it is the lamentable, dumbed down, 'anti-elitist' state education system which turns out so many unemployables. What happens when some can't hack it in the work environment ? Can they be fired ? If so do they still get benefits ?

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. 130,000 isn't all endemic unemployed but it is a sizeable proportion and starting with that is better than doing nothing. Calling 130,000 long term unemployed a drop in the ocean either implies that you have no idea about total joblessness figures or are being intentional misleading about it.

GeorgeHowell

N1AK wrote: »

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. 130,000 isn't all endemic unemployed but it is a sizeable proportion and starting with that is better than doing nothing. Calling 130,000 long term unemployed a drop in the ocean either implies that you have no idea about total joblessness figures or are being intentional misleading about it.

That assumes that the whole 130,000 are found work, and above all prove able to hold down jobs -- we'll see. I notice that it excludes the under 25s and those on invalidity benefits. Why ? Possible because the under 25s are deemed to be mostly unemployable, and that Labour would not want to admit that many of the so called invalid are in fact capable of working.