Now then...do exercise or have your benefits cut ??

bugslet

I have absolutely no idea ILW. I can assure you that the logic of what to do has not escaped me; I find it deeply frustrating that I cannot crack a diet, when otherwise I have a reasonable level of self-discipline.

Gen, if I have to run on the Government running machine, can I have some vouchers for a Government sports bra:p

Conrad

bugslet wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea ILW. I can assure you that the logic of what to do has not escaped me; I find it deeply frustrating that I cannot crack a diet, when otherwise I have a reasonable level of self-discipline.

I couldn't crack a diet either, I'm quite greedy tbh, but this is the reason I have to excercise everyday and always keep active - for example if waiting around anywhere, always keep moving, that includes on planes etc. I had to lift 20 bags of sand from front to back of house Boxing day then empty them on the lawn and rake it all smooth - just sitting about ALL day does my head in. I tend now to do about 15 mins hard excercise at full tilt, rather than say 45 mins more leisurely. Once per week martial arts in a 2 hour hard class.

adouglasmhor

I am obese BMI is 35 yet my body fat is 18% (I aim to get it down to 14% in the next three months).

GeorgeHowell

chewmylegoff wrote: »

whilst it might be fascist to make people do exercise, it does appear to me that everyone who lives north of watford has a BMI of 35 these days and anything that can be done about that is a good thing. of course this new "make fat people run" scheme appears only to apply to westminster council so it won't help much.

It's not fascist to require welfare claimants to do anything reasonable and beneficial. The working population has to do something for its money, often doing things they don't really like doing. Why should benefits claimants be immune from that reality ?

keithrgj

poland 1942

dont be alarmed, we are just sending you to a work camp

the reality is their are more overweight people in work than unemployed

GeorgeHowell

keithrgj wrote: »

the reality is their are more overweight people in work than unemployed

How on earth can you know that ?

danothy

Generali wrote: »

I think that eggs and berries are good for you. You should be forced in a measurable way to eat them because I say so. If you refuse then you will have all alternative means of sustenance removed.

Enjoy your new diet.

As it happens I quite like eggs and berries ...

adouglasmhor

keithrgj wrote: »

poland 1942

dont be alarmed, we are just sending you to a work camp

the reality is their are more overweight people in work than unemployed

But if they are working it means they are making an effort to support themselves and not helping themselves to our money.

keithrgj

what about people who have just been made unemployed through redundancy or ill health and paid into the system for the last 30 years, are they scroungers stealing your or OUR MONEY

GeorgeHowell

keithrgj wrote: »

what about people who have just been made unemployed through redundancy or ill health and paid into the system for the last 30 years, are they scroungers stealing your or OUR MONEY

Of course not. Helping such people over a difficult period whilst they actively seek work is a perfect example of what the welfare system was designed to do.

The archetypal example of what is (or should be) unacceptable is the unmarried mother frequently knocking out kids by different fathers, living in comfortable social housing, smoking, drinking, gambling, Sky TV, a holiday every year etc and it all paid for out of welfare. There are many other scenarios of the lazy, f e c k less, and workshy milking the system in this way. The left will try to pretend that it's all overblown and that such examples are very rare -- but they are not.

Many of the left believe that the ability to obtain and hold down a job and live a largely self-reliant life represents an unfair advantage over those who do not, such that the self-reliant are morally obliged to subsidise the lives of those who choose not to be self-reliant. Whilst people who adopt that stance have any say in the running of the country we are sunk as a nation.