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Cons Increase Deficit & National Debt Targets Missed
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How big is the annual deficit?
How much do we pay to the EU - gross & net?
What are we paying in buy now pay later PFI payments ?
What are the compulsory unmitigated payments ordered by the government to be added to the above?
What percentage of this annual deficit is interest compounding on the debt?
What % is Germany paying on Euro debt to borrow over "x" years?
What % is UK paying on Sterling debt to borrow over "x" years?
Oh and to really cheer you all up at the end of the wettest growth year for the last century, here comes some cost push inflation:
By what percentage is the harvest for 2012 "down"?
What is the global reduction in the harvest?
What is the global yield in extra mouths to feed in the last 12 months?
Why have these figures not hit the shops yet?
and finally the joker question:
How much was spent in Eire to fight off the outbreak of potato blight this last summer?
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That is a big ask' John but it will be interesting to see what colour the picture becomes and who it may favour.
And Moby, what the majority of people in this country are hoping for, is that the next Government are a Government for the people of Britain and not for just themselves as we have seen in the past.
The boys 'Posh and Posher' cannot be blamed for their elitist background, that was not their choice, more for what oppertunities it gave them that they have not yet used.0 -
Incoherent
Had your Daily Mail fix already George.....nurse will be along soon.
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So in your 'reality' things are now working are they? Come on ....who is really dreaming here. I've said time and time again the Govmts job is to lead and to inspire confidence in people. Blabbing on about 'magic money trees' etc is both hypocritical and misguided. Remember we live in a capitalist world in which we were told that we could live on credit and borrowing by our leaders/bankers.............. who lets say are generally right of centre....so don't start with all that 'live within your means' bollox. I thought the tory view was always you have to speculate to accumulate?;)
If you exclude people from society the way this Govmt is doing you create discord. So many right wingers on here go on about the average person being too stupid to understand what's going on. I would never be so judgemental...... but hey ho this is the internet and anything goes.....the question therefore has to be asked why are people ignorant? does it have anything to do with our society and the level of opportunity there is in it. The sad fact is the kids of 'middle class privileged parents tend to do better than the 'rest'...always exceptions.... but generally it is the case imo. There is no equality of opportunity in this country at this time. Attack people for being 'lefties' whatever but there is a reason why people like me feel the way we do.
I came south from Wales and did ok for myself but I have never forgotten my background and the consequences of a cold callous uncaring govmt on my family of steelworkers and miners. I accept that 'left of centre' people may be sometimes accurately painted as naive, deluded about market place economics etc but I'll say two things to that...at least we care about the 'whole' and as I keep banging on.......surely we live in a free market capitalist world....so surely credit, debt, boom, bust etc are totally in keeping with that worlda and speculators do tend to be tory don't they?
And you have the cheek to call me incoherent !
That is nothing but angry, leftist/Marxist claptrap.
And unbelievably you come up with that totally tired and discredited old Daily Mail jibe yet again. I don't happen to read the Daily Mail regularly, but I know that for all its shortcomings it is a far better newspaper that the insidious Guardian for example, which thank goodness is only read by those who have already swallowed up the sort of rubbish that it spouts.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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1) So in your 'reality' things are now working are they? Come on ....who is really dreaming here. I've said time and time again the Govmts job is to lead and to inspire confidence in people.
2) If you exclude people from society the way this Govmt is doing you create discord.
3) The sad fact is the kids of 'middle class privileged parents tend to do better than the 'rest'...
4) I came south from Wales and did ok for myself but I have never forgotten my background and the consequences of a cold callous uncaring govmt on my family of steelworkers and miners.
I've taken the liberty of numbering your points, and here are my replies;
1) Much evidence things are working. Eg - now largest recipient of inward investmnet in Europe. Highest ever exports to world O/S Europe. Far more research in R&D now. Highest car output in our history.
2) Discord was endured by loads of us for years as Labour set about causing endemic welfare lifestylism. The detriment to society is huge. At last we're returning welfare to those who deserve it and giving them dignity (will take time though)
Kids in !!!!less homes with no working role model, are damaged by this experience. I meet them all the time. Millions of immigranmts found work while long term Brit unemployed did not. I do mortgages for these immigrants - sure they started low, but many are building prosperous lives now.
3) Can I give you examples of why middle class kids do better? Consider thier holiday and leisure activities - museums, NT properties, watching documentaries as a default rather than The Kardashians, doing quizzes, doing the quizz as you go round the zoo, actually reading to your kids nightly. Easy to dismiss as nonsense, but all these things over time make a difference to a childs outlook. NO WAY CAN A STATE EVER SOMEHOW FILL THIS ROLE, DAY IN DAY OUT.
Better instead to help working class kids that might not be academic, to instead have proper apprenterships and school based learning based around this path. Exactly what is now happening.
4) If those plants and mines were viable as the Unions claimed they were, why then with all that Union wealth and power did they not buy up those plants and mines? NO ONE ON THE LEFT EVER DARES CONFRONT THIS AWKWARD QUESTION.
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2) Discord was endured by loads of us for years as Labour set about causing endemic welfare lifestylism. The detriment to society is huge. At last we're returning welfare to those who deserve it and giving them dignity (will take time though)
Spot on. And other hugely detrimental impositions on our society perpetrated by Labour include :- the deliberate politically-motivated dumbing down of our state education system; signing us up to the perverted direct jurisdiction of the ECHR which has become a charter for criminals and terrorists to put us all in danger; implementing no win no fee legal action enabling the ambulance chasers to create a terrible compensation culture; putting public sector workers and their trade unions on a pedestal so that we now have a producer mentality and for example swathes of the NHS which are not caring ........No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Oh dear.... Trouble At T Telegraph again for the Cons - tomorrows edition says they
'are in trouble on both counts.(Competence/Compassion) It was always going to be a tall order for an administration led by polished public school types to lead the nation through an age of austerity. But the stereotype has started to take hold – or rather, been allowed to take hold – of a heartless, unfeeling party that positively relishes the infliction of harm on the poor. As for competence, it is no accident that the Oxford English Dictionary declared “omnishambles” its word of the year in 2012: borrowed from The Thick of It by Ed Miliband to describe the succession of Budget U‑turns, the epithet soon came to encapsulate a general aura of administrative haplessness. Witness the current child benefit farrago, in which the Government is not just taking away middle-class benefits, but forcing people to engage with a horrendously cumbersome tax system in order to acknowledge their loss.
So gloomy is the situation that some have lost faith entirely.'
I think they mean Goodman's article - continues by comparing them.0 -
I've taken the liberty of numbering your points, and here are my replies;
1) Much evidence things are working. Eg - now largest recipient of inward
investmnet in Europe. Highest ever exports to world O/S Europe. Far more
research in R&D now. Highest car output in our history.
We're in a triple dip recession! That's the big picture!
2) Discord was endured by loads of us for years as Labour set about causing
endemic welfare lifestylism. The detriment to society is huge. At last we're
returning welfare to those who deserve it and giving them dignity (will take
time though)
So exactly what sort of discord where you experiencing due to other people receiving welfare? Ah yes I also wonder how much a mortgage adviser knows about the deserving and undeserving poor...lol!
Kids in !!!!less homes with no working role model, are damaged by this
experience. I meet them all the time. Millions of immigranmts found work while
long term Brit unemployed did not. I do mortgages for these immigrants - sure
they started low, but many are building prosperous lives now.
3) Can I give you examples of why middle class kids do better? Consider thier
holiday and leisure activities - museums, NT properties, watching documentaries
as a default rather than The Kardashians, doing quizzes, doing the quizz as you
go round the zoo, actually reading to your kids nightly. Easy to dismiss as
nonsense, but all these things over time make a difference to a childs outlook.
NO WAY CAN A STATE EVER SOMEHOW FILL THIS ROLE, DAY IN DAY OUT.
I know all these things but you are still not looking at the reasons why middle class children are given these opportunities/choices. I never said the state had to fill this role! I was talking about EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY/LIFE CHANCES etc
Better instead to help working class kids that might not be academic, to
instead have proper apprenterships and school based learning based around this
path. Exactly what is now happening.
So you assume that working class kids would naturally be better off following the apprenticeship path rather than academia. Pretty telling view that!
Yeah sure all the miners were going to get together and buy out the mine owners. Unbelievably naive!
4) If those plants and mines were viable as the Unions claimed they were, why
then with all that Union wealth and power did they not buy up those plants and
mines? NO ONE ON THE LEFT EVER DARES CONFRONT THIS AWKWARD QUESTION.0 -
Utter rubbish I'm afraid. UKIP will be proud of you George. ECHR.... a charter for criminals...completely over the top. Nigel Farage's little mouthpiece are we?:rotfl:GeorgeHowell wrote: »Spot on. And other hugely detrimental impositions on our society perpetrated by Labour include :- the deliberate politically-motivated dumbing down of our state education system; signing us up to the perverted direct jurisdiction of the ECHR which has become a charter for criminals and terrorists to put us all in danger; implementing no win no fee legal action enabling the ambulance chasers to create a terrible compensation culture; putting public sector workers and their trade unions on a pedestal so that we now have a producer mentality and for example swathes of the NHS which are not caring ........
Public sector workers on a pedestal....in your world George....in your world!
Very 'Colonel Blimp' aren't you!0 -
Yeah sure all the miners were going to get together and buy out the mine owners. Unbelievably naive!
That's either deliberately disingenuous or just plain stupid. The point was that the workers' government, Labour, could have done so and chose not to.
Along with all the other things that Labour whined about when in opposition yet maintained when they were in power. A pattern, no doubt, to be repeated in a few years time.0 -
Utter rubbish I'm afraid. UKIP will be proud of you George. ECHR.... a charter for criminals...completely over the top. Nigel Farage's little mouthpiece are we?:rotfl:
Public sector workers on a pedestal....in your world George....in your world!
I see that the toys have come out of the pram again. Becoming a bit of a regular things now isn't it. But that's what you tend to get when juvenile minds to mix it with the grown ups. Another pathetic personal attack post, but at least you didn't mention the Daily Mail -- that's some degree of progress. You handle would be more appropriate if you dropped the first part of the name and adopted the second part.
As a matter of fact I think that UKIP is a bit of a one-issue non-entity, and that those who intend to vote for it just to punish the Conservatives are idiots who may just kick themselves up the a**e in the long run.
As far as you state of denial about the ECHR and Labour's treatment of the public sector is concerned ... well you keep on living in cloud cuckoo land if it keeps you happy (although you don't appear to be so what with all these angry posts) and I'll carry on living in the real world.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0
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