Been Scammed Via Paypal - Help & Advice Needed

greeneye

Shoppaholic12345 wrote: »

Am considering this as a possibility depending on how Paypal view things. Like I said, I have two witnesses that were there at the sale and I can give descriptions of the two men involved (along with my mates), who can also vouch for my story.

I know it isn't fair on the other person involved. Am willing to refund half of the amount to them if they are willing to accept, but no way I'm gonna give it all back.

There is also no way of telling that the person wanting the full refund isn't connected to the scammers either.

Who's the other person involved?
Are you talking about more than one transaction? And if so how do they relate to eachother?


edit: Just thought about it.
Did you only sell one XBOX? Then get a paypal dispute opened but as the dispute mentions a IPOD you are assumming that there is a 3rd party who has also been scammed?
If so this is not the case. The person filing the dispute is your scamster. I imagine they have said it was an IPOD becuase the amout they paid would appear too little for an XBOX (i.e as they paid half in cash).

Shoppaholic12345

greeneye wrote: »

Who's the other person involved?
Are you talking about more than one transaction? And if so how do they relate to eachother?

The two guys that came round are the scammers.

The person's Paypal e-mail they used for me to send an invoice to for them is also another victim (cannot be proved that they're not connected of course) as they thought they were paying for an Ipod, as they paid for it originally with them, was then refunded by them and charged once again (by me sending it for the Xbox Premium, and them paying it thinking it was an Ipod purchase).

I hope I haven't lost you.

Shoppaholic12345

greeneye wrote: »

Who's the other person involved?
The person filing the dispute is your scamster. I imagine they have said it was an IPOD becuase the amout they paid would appear too little for an XBOX (i.e as they paid half in cash).

That's what I'm thinking.

greeneye

Shoppaholic12345 wrote: »

The two guys that came round are the scammers.

The person's Paypal e-mail they used for me to send an invoice to for them is also another victim (cannot be proved that they're not connected of course) as they thought they were paying for an Ipod, as they paid for it originally with them, was then refunded by them and charged once again (by me sending it for the Xbox Premium, and them paying it thinking it was an Ipod purchase).

I hope I haven't lost you.

Dam that's very convoluted!
So was the original IPOD an ebay purchase?
It's likely that the paypal account that they used to recieve the intial payment is actually genuine. Although paypal won't hand over their details to you they might do if you get the police involved.

You could suss out the buyer of the IPOD by asking them if they could give you the item number of the ebay auction (if it was an ebay purchase) and post it on here.

Also a winner of an ebay auction has a right to ask ebay for the sellers registered contact details (although these may of course be faulse).They would be told that the seller would be notified of this request for contact details and their details would be passed to the seller. Which might alarm them (if they are genuine) but you could point out that the seller already has their details from the ebay and paypal transactions.

Let us know if you can ascertain if this did originate as an ebay transaction.

Shoppaholic12345

greeneye wrote: »

Dam that's very convoluted!
Let us know if you can ascertain if this did originate as an ebay transaction.

Many thanks. Will try to get as much info as possible and will update this.

greeneye

Shoppaholic12345 wrote: »

Many thanks. Will try to get as much info as possible and will update this.

Yep they will be doing this again and even if they use another ebay account we may be able to spot them (from text they use on their auction descriptions etc).
In which case if you win one of their future auctions you will be able to get more info on them (without having to make any payment).
Seems to me this scam needs a genuine paypal account (and a verified one at that if they're taking large amounts of cash) to function. Which actually makes it quite a weak scam if they are going to try and do it with any regularity.

But this of course is all on the assumption that it originated on ebay.

zorber

send a empty letter by a online traceable method and when its signed for send the tracking details to paypal as proof of delivery

soolin

zorber wrote: »

send a empty letter by a online traceable method and when its signed for send the tracking details to paypal as proof of delivery

I wondered when someone would recommend fraud. Regardless of this I can see this ensuring the OP looks like a liar. He has told paypal he sold an xbox which was collected, then a few weeks later he suddenly changes his maind and can prove that something sent special delivery arrived several weeks after he claims item was already collected.

That would mean that either the OP lied in his original response to the paypal dispute or that he is lying by saying he sent it several weeks later. There is also the problem that sending something 7 days after payment means seller protections has been lost anyway. Therefore paypal have proof that seller is in fact the liar, and seller gets closed down.

Not a good idea.

greenstreetprince

sorry to dash your hopes, but soolin is spot on in one of the earlier posts, if you have no online trackable proof of delivery, you may as well forget about paypal doing you any justice.

I was chargebacked a few weeks ago to the sum of £115 for a Samsung E900, due to the postman's fault, the signature of recipient wont appear online, so Paypal have sided with the buyer and I am out of pocket and lost the E900 to boot.

Even though I have sent them a copy of the recipients signature which royal mail sent me in a pdf file as well as through the post, Paypal still wont listen to a word of what I have to say.

Shoppaholic12345

I received this response today:

"The invoice reply sent to you from me via paypal confirmed it was for an ipod and my delivery address. So i am sorry if you have been scammed but i want a a refund please."

This was my response:

"I'm not refunding anything until a proper investigation is carried out. I'm also going to get the police involved and have had legal advice, as I have witnesses for the transaction, who can also provide descriptions. I would like full information of the original transaction from yourself, where and how you bought the Ipod, as the police will need this information.

There is no way of substanciating that you are or are not apart of this. I sent you a Paypal invoice that didn't have any description, yet you chose to pay it without querying this. I will escalate this to the highest level and the most I'm willing to refund is half of the payment upon full satisfaction of evidence provided for the police investigation and consideration ofthis to my lawyer."