Disability living allowance - the forecast results of changes over to PIP.

rogerblack

SailorSam wrote: »

If there is no 'low rate' what is happening to the people who get low rate Dla when the change comes.

They either get standard daily living, enhanced daily living rate, or nothing.

seven-day-weekend

SailorSam wrote: »

If there is no 'low rate' what is happening to the people who get low rate Dla when the change comes.

Presumably they will be given the standard rate of PIP (if they qualify), or more likely, not get anything.

My son's girlfriend expects to not get anything. However, she never expected to be granted Low Rate DLA for both components, so has resigned herself to it being removed. I have told her to apply anyway, not just assume she won't get it.

schrodie

I think the biggest losers are going to be those on Low Rate Care DLA. This was obvious from the start when the scrapping of DLA was being talked about. The MPs were deriding the LRC of DLA as wasteful and unnecessary!

I also think many who get HRM DLA now may end up with the Standard Rate Mobility PIP given the cut in distance from 50m to 20m!

Motability are in for a big shock!!!

speedfreek1000

schrodie wrote: »

I think the biggest losers are going to be those on Low Rate Care DLA. This was obvious from the start when the scrapping of DLA was being talked about. The MPs were deriding the LRC of DLA as wasteful and unnecessary!

I also think many who get HRM DLA now may end up with the Standard Rate Mobility PIP given the cut in distance from 50m to 20m!

Motability are in for a big shock!!!

It's going to be all with a heavy slant on mental health claimants as was ESA.

What I would like to see are the targets - sorry sorry sorry there are no targets the 'statistical variance' of how many people will be automatically failed/denied this benefit!

You have to fail way way way more people than 25% to get to the 25% failure figure expected. Initial denial followed by successful appeals/reconsiderations all have to be added to that 25% figure so what is it?

Once that's been estimated you then fiddle with the actual descriptors criteria to raise or lower certain statistical groups as with ESA to push more on or as happened with ESA more off.

schrodie

speedfreek1000 wrote: »

It's going to be all with a heavy slant on mental health claimants as was ESA.

What I would like to see are the targets - sorry sorry sorry there are no targets the 'statistical variance' of how many people will be automatically failed/denied this benefit!

You have to fail way way way more people than 25% to get to the 25% failure figure expected. Initial denial followed by successful appeals/reconsiderations all have to be added to that 25% figure so what is it?

Once that's been estimated you then fiddle with the actual descriptors criteria to raise or lower certain statistical groups as with ESA to push more on or as happened with ESA more off.

That's right as with most things the government does it initially uses a sledgehammer then when they realise they've got it wrong as labour did with ESA when they found that too many sick and disabled people were being unfairly denied the Support Group they tweaked the descriptors and probably told Atos to stop finding too many people fit for work and try to do their job properly (as if they could!!).

The same will happen here with PIP hence the 2 year delay in DLA to PIP transfer they know they've got these descriptors all wrong and many people will suffer (not that that bothers a tory) but to placate the disability groups and by then the very few lib-dem MPs that will be left after May 2015 they'll tweak the descriptors thus allowing more people to rightly get what they are entitled to.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Was hoping to find the updated [to parliament only] early revision , no such luck.

On that same day the 13th David Blunkett complained """we will not fully understand the impact of her announcement until we see the revised assessment criteria? """ .. .. if he and others have not seen the revised assessment criteria, maybe I'm hoping for too much to see the said copy myself. Speedread on the left - full Hansard on the right.

JustMom

I am a 70 year old pensioner.does this mean that if I get one of these invites,I have to start all over again to apply,filling in all those booklets I did at the beginning.

I must admit this fills me with dread.

rogerblack

JustMom wrote: »

I am a 70 year old pensioner.does this mean that if I get one of these invites,I have to start all over again to apply,filling in all those booklets I did at the beginning.

I must admit this fills me with dread.

You will not be affected at the moment.
The current legislation does not give powers to require OAPs or children to reapply.
There is mention that it is proposed in the above that some can apply if they choose to.

It is not unlikely that some future government will look into reassessing long term DLA/AA awards.

Especially if the migration from DLA to PIP fails to provide the savings expected.
But this is at least several years off, following an appropriate demonisation campaign, featuring stories leaked to the press of pensioners with full DLA/AA awards going on adventure holidays, and living lavish lifestyles.

JustMom

rogerblack wrote: »

You will not be affected at the moment.
The current legislation does not give powers to require OAPs or children to reapply.
There is mention that it is proposed in the above that some can apply if they choose to.

It is not unlikely that some future government will look into reassessing long term DLA/AA awards.

Especially if the migration from DLA to PIP fails to provide the savings expected.
But this is at least several years off, following an appropriate demonisation campaign, featuring stories leaked to the press of pensioners with full DLA/AA awards going on adventure holidays, and living lavish lifestyles.

Thanks Roger ,It does worry me a lot as I have 2 adult sons at home too,unable to find work after being made redundant several times. The money goes on mainly gas,electric and petrol.
Wish I had a lavish lifestyle lol.

zaksmum

How will it work for those beyond working age if female?

I know the changes currently will only affect claimants of working age but if you are eligible for state pension you are no longer of working age. I have a friend who gets HRM DLA and will be 61 when she claims her state pension early next year - will she still be reassessed for PIP?