Drug debate; What is the best course to follow

zaber86

paulmapp8306 wrote: »

I didnt say you smoked - and Ive seen scientific evidance that cannabis is addictive. Its not physicallt addictive its mentally addictive - - which is arguably worse.

The fact is, that we, as a society, have a right to stop anyone doing something that impacts on us - and ANY drug taking DOES impact on everyone.

What about the bloke high, who opporating machiery at work? What about the one who wonders into the road causing an accident that kills or maims other people. Many many cases were those taking drugs can harm others not just themselves.

Im not saying its different to Alchohol either. Im saying alcohol wouldnt be legalise now. Just because it IS due to historically being accepted doesnt mean we should legalise other things that jave obvious risks.

The reason for the ganster issues in america was because alchohol was already accepted, and used widly, with people addicted before it was banned. It was aklways going to cause issues, as would banning it or tobacco now. But legalising other drugs now, will lead to more peopl trying the substances, more people getting issues - and you cant go back. Just dont go there in the first place is the best solution.

I hate to break it to you but Cannabis IS accepted now. Expecailly in the working class areas. I'm in my mid twenties now, but even at school it was far easier for me to get a hold of some weed than it would have been for alcohol. I could walk around town and there is that familiar scent regularly.

Like you said it's the same as alcohol, no one should operate heavy machinery while stoned, just the same if they were drunk. And if some one came into their work drunk or stoned then they SHOULD loose their jobs. Risking other peoples lives is unacceptable.

As for mental addiction, yes mental addiction, or habits, are an issue with cannabis as well as many things. Breast milk being probably the first. Weaned off of milk onto food is the first addition we all must kick.

How about the habit of procrastination & laziness, should this be outlawed? Send people to the work camps for "Their own good!" After all they are a drain on society expecting a free ride through life.

Chocolate and other junk food. People are addicted to Carbs. We'll have to ban the junk foods and force people to eat healthily. Wonder how long until people go to their dealer for that dairy milk or galaxy fix.

Ok I fully admit I am going silly, but my point is mental addiction is a fact of life. But its a health issue not a criminal issue.

ILW

How about just contaminating large batches of supply with something deadly, problem solved overnight apart from the clearing up.

zaber86

ILW wrote: »

How about just contaminating large batches of supply with something deadly, problem solved overnight apart from the clearing up.

unfortunately that would be classified as murder.

abaxas

zaber86 wrote: »

unfortunately that would be classified as mcdonalds.

Edited for accuracy.

PaulF81

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/01/02/the-anti-drug-drugs.html

Simples really. Forced injection for druggies.

ILW

zaber86 wrote: »

unfortunately that would be classified as murder.

If it was advertised first that as of a certain date all illegal drugs carry a high risk of being lethal, it would probably not be.

Plenty of things will kill you if swallowed, that doesn't make the manufacturer a murderer.

the_flying_pig

may not be feasible but imo the best case would be:

1 - legalisation [only for certain licenced outlets, harsh treatment for anyone else selling]; and
2 - very high taxes, such that street prices are possibly higher than they are now... but users still choose to buy them legally rather than on a black market because it's legal to do so & quality is assured.

in doing so you'd hope to raise a lot of tax receipts, price the stuff high enough that overall usage didn't increase, and break the link whereby many of the people who sell [and therefore the people who use] soft & hard drugs are the same.

the law of unintended consequences is the problem. it's difficult to say what the impact would be. loads more people doing drugs is the last thing that society needs.

abaxas

the_flying_pig wrote: »

the law of unintended consequences is the problem. it's difficult to say what the impact would be. loads more people doing drugs is the last thing that society needs.

Alcohol (a drug) - "In 2010/11 there were 198,900 admissions where the primary diagnosis was attributable to the consumption of alcohol (the narrow measure). This is a 2.1% increase since 2009/10 when there were 194,800 admissions of this type and a 40% increase since 2002/03 when there were around 142,000 such admissions."

Other drugs - "There were 12,300 admissions in 2011/12, a two per cent fall on the previous year (12,600), but a 58 per cent increase on 2000/01 (7,800) "

More scary bit on alcohol - "In 2010/11, there were 1,168,300 alcohol related admissions to hospital based on the broad measure (primary and secondary diagnoses). This is an increase of 11% on the 2009/10 figure (1,056,900) and more than twice as many as in 2002/03 (510,700). Comparisons over time in the broad measure are complicated by changes in recording practices over the period. In order to estimate the trend once changes in recording practices are accounted for, a method to adjust the national figures has been devised which is presented in Appendix G. Adjusted figures show a 49% increase from an estimated 783,300 in 2002/03 but a 3% decrease from 1,208,100 in 2009/10."

Not an argument for, but and argument against those who cant see where the real problem is.

moneyinmypocket

Alcohol and fags are much worse than most class a,b and cs

moneyinmypocket

Brit - you really do show your ignorance on so many matters.