Universal Jobmatch - non mandatory

krok

xsupercarlx

Well you cant have read the letter. I have stated that i have joined the universal Jobmatch but i have not consented to giving my personal details to third parties.
I use many jobsites and look for work 7 days per week.
Do you not understand that the site has already taken down 6000 so called jobs.
Do you not understand that even the DWP are balloting for strike action for the forced redundancies of their staff because of the UJB.
Do you not understand that the site has already been hacked.
And to sum it all up i have been in work for 34 of my 34 half work years so i dont need to be told by someone who doesnt know me that i would be sanctioned down there for refusing to use all online sites when i do.
I dont know who you think you are but keep your personal opinions to yourself.

denla

recoverydust wrote: »

That is a truly awesome letter.

This is a very interesting debate too
xxx

It's laughable actually. Consenting to sharing information on the universial jobmatch with job centre plus is voluntary.

recoverydust

denla wrote: »

It's laughable actually. Consenting to sharing information on the universial jobmatch with job centre plus is voluntary.

i never said it didnt give me a laugh.

I do love a long, complicated letter aimed at bureaucracy, it may be entirely counter productive, but I appreciate the effort that went into it.

Is what you are saying about sharing information actually correct? Because now I am very confused.

Still enjoying the discussion tho
x

SarEl

recoverydust wrote: »

I do love your posts and would love to have your barristorial(?) comprehension, gravitas and wit.

I dont though, I am now just another frustrated, frightened benefits scrounger with disabilities (mental and fluctuating ones) in social housing trying to find my own best way to survive now that working is not a possibility.

I am however very much in favour of long letters - if by writing them I draw attention to myself do you do case work?

Thank you
xxx

I know that some people think all claimants are benefits scroungers - I subscribe to none of this unless there is evidence of such in individual cases (since I am also not naive enough to think there are no scroungers around!). I am now mostly retired so I am afraid I do not take on case work. But I would suggest that head down when it isn't necessary to stick it up is always a good idea - whether you are in or out of employment. The current government are clear that they will drive down benefits claimants and force people into work. I have no idea how they will create the jobs necessary to do this, but I am clear that getting people off the claimant statistics is an acceptable outcome for the government, regardless of whether they actually enter work or not. Hence, my advice would be to anyone that you play the game and not draw attention to yourself - if people are genuinely seeking work, which the majority are, then they will be able to demonstrate that they have done what is required of them by their advisor, and will encounter no problems.

Morlock

xsupercarlx wrote: »

If i crossed a 'smart' JSA claimant who tried to wow me with his awesome loophole skills, I would just mandate that he turn up Monday to Friday 9am till 3pm to search for jobs, I bet they find something pretty sharpish (I'm talking about the blatantly lazy, not those who are genuinely seeking work). Never had to do it before but a few are pretty close.

My advice to claimants, don't go to the JCP or work programme provider saying things like "Ahaa, I don't have to comply because of blah blah blah", you'll get their back up and they will make life hard for you, you can waste 20 mins of their time but they can waste your entire week.

That sounds like quite malicious behaviour for a (person who purports to be a) Jobcentre Advisor, but it doesn't surprise me.

recoverydust

SarEl, having read many of your posts I know that you have ineffable judgement and would never subscribe to classing all of us unfortunate enough not to be working as benefits scroungers I am well aware that some in this forum do- so I was just getting that in first.
At the moment I am considered a danger to myself and allegedly others if allowed to do work related activity, such is the grave impact of my disability - that is until I am next assessed, whereby it could all very easily change.

I am certain that you are absolutely right that this Government will do absolutely anything to drive down benefits claimants, whether they are fit to work or not. I do believe they repeatedly say so.... well maybe not in so many words.

However, whenever I find myself in the JCP and I have no doubt my turn will come I will no doubt find it extremely difficult to keep my head down and do as I am told, especially if I am experiencing florid psychosis.... something I have a tendency to do.... and whilst I deal with the frustration and boredom of being in the ESA support group I do like a good chat on the internet.... makes me feel I am somehow still contributing.

and you my dear are a national treasure...

xsupercarlx

krok wrote: »

xsupercarlx
I dont know who you think you are but keep your personal opinions to yourself.

Hmm, sorry but its my human rights to have an opinion (and you're all for human rights, right?) and last time I checked, this was an open forum where one can express personal opinion.

I don't know who you think you are but if you're in a position to prevent free speech or opinion, then go ahead, try it.

Morlock wrote: »

That sounds like quite malicious behaviour for a (person who purports to be a) Jobcentre Advisor, but it doesn't surprise me.

Its not malicious at all, It's something we do, you'd be surprised how often people find work when confronted with the prospect of visiting us every day , we have clients come in for intensive job searches for a week or two, maybe longer, just depends.

I have not stated where I work, my posts give the gist of what I do but I'm not willing to give further info than that (not that you asked).

Take care.

SarEl

recoverydust wrote: »

However, whenever I find myself in the JCP and I have no doubt my turn will come I will no doubt find it extremely difficult to keep my head down and do as I am told, especially if I am experiencing florid psychosis.... something I have a tendency to do.... and whilst I deal with the frustration and boredom of being in the ESA support group I do like a good chat on the internet.... makes me feel I am somehow still contributing.
...

So if this days comes - and there is no point worrying about it until it does - then pick a good day and speak to your advisor about the uncontrollable parts of your illness. Contrary to the opinion of some people, advisors are (a) human, and (b) get abused a lot for simply doing their job. If you experience (b) often enough then you will tend to find it hard to believe (a) about the people who do it!

Sympathy may not come from everyone, but these advisors are doing their jobs as they are instructed to do; most are in insecure employment on temporary contracts of one kind or another, and will simply be disposed of if they fail to meet targets. They also have families to support, and they also get sanctioned if they lose their employment through their own fault (for example, by refusing to carry out the job as they are instructed to).

Taking out anger and frustration on each other does not change anything. If people want to put their lobbying and letter writing skills to use, then their elected representatives are the people to turn these things on. It may or may not get them anywhere, but at least they are complaining at the right people and not another bunch of workers who happen to have jobs.

Or people could take up the example of Wal Hannington and the legendary Harry McShane...

recoverydust

All of the above is true, and I am hopeful, having managed to work quite well for some thirty years that mental health services will assist and support me to recover both my equilibrium and my stability so that i can work again. Frankly I hate being labelled as not fit to even undertake work related activity (whatever that is). Its boring and debilitating, has no dignity, is a precarious existence and not at all what I envisaged for my later career.... HOWEVER that day is yet to come and whilst there are days when i am up to typing on the internet, and days when i can perform basic functional tasks there is little that I can do reliably or consistently enough to secure employment.
Ah a national unemployed workers union - now wouldnt that be a thing to belong to....
have a good sunday evening

someonesgottosayit

krok wrote: »

The first Principle of the Data Protection Act, 1998, gives me the legal right to withhold personal information.

I suggest you read and understand the act, as that statement is incorrect.

krok wrote: »

There is no guarantee that personal information cannot be transferred to any country in the world, which is against the Eighth Principle of the Data Protection Act, 1998.

Again, I suggest you read and understand the act, as that statement is incorrect.

krok wrote: »

It is an infringement of my rights under the Data Protection Act, 1998 and the European Convention on Human Rights

You only beleive it is, that doesn't make it so.

The rest of the letter is a joke, basically.