Employee could be getting sent down - what are my options?

pelirocco

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

I have never had to take disciplinary proceedings before, so I have no idea where to start. Probably going to have to spend some money here

I dont know how many employees you have , but it might be worthwile to sign up to one of the companies that looks after all your employment and health and safety issues

Lifeisbutadream

pelirocco wrote: »

I dont know how many employees you have , but it might be worthwile to sign up to one of the companies that looks after all your employment and health and safety issues

We have 2.

We are only just ticking over so we cant afford to do that at the moment.

Lifeisbutadream

SarEl wrote: »

Excellent. This is absolutely the kind of employer I love to bits. They've so far paid for me to have a great income and now they've paid for me to retre early:):j

The time to make sure you have procedures and know how they work is before you need it, not after. You have already got to a stage of needing disciplinary processes and you haven't got one and don't know how they work!

But I am not going to do anything without finding out first

I asked on here to get a guideline about what we can do.

Our employee knows he wont have a job if he goes down, I just want to make sure that I do everything right.

Sambucus_Nigra

SarEl wrote: »

Excellent. This is absolutely the kind of employer I love to bits. They've so far paid for me to have a great income and now they've paid for me to retre early:):j

The time to make sure you have procedures and know how they work is before you need it, not after. You have already got to a stage of needing disciplinary processes and you haven't got one and don't know how they work!

This is not the first time the OP has needed procedures. Some of us have long memories and can remember the apprentice the op had to fire.

paddedjohn

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

Sentence likely to be 3 months, we would need to get in a replacement straight away and we also dont want someone who has been in prison working for us!

So how do I need to terminate his employment properly ?

A bit judgemental don't you think? Going to prison is punishment enough without people like you serving sentence on him aswell.

denla

paddedjohn wrote: »

A bit judgemental don't you think? Going to prison is punishment enough without people like you serving sentence on him aswell.

I'm guessing you've been to prison before...? Yes it's judgemental but it's good judgement that every employer should exercise. I wouldn't feel safe using the service of a company who hires ex-criminals because I'd always be questioning their integrity. I'd simply use the same service from another company instead. And if I'm working for a company hiring ex-criminals, I sure wouldn't feel safe.

SarEl

denla wrote: »

I'm guessing you've been to prison before...? Yes it's judgemental but it's good judgement that every employer should exercise. I wouldn't feel safe using the service of a company who hires ex-criminals because I'd always be questioning their integrity. I'd simply use the same service from another company instead. And if I'm working for a company hiring ex-criminals, I sure wouldn't feel safe.

Wow. Well you won't be coming around to our place then?? We have a policy, one that conforms to the law, that we do not discriminate against ex-offenders. It's the ex bit that's a dead give away - they are not criminals, nor offenders. You cannot treat everyone the same - people make mistakes, and they have a legal right to be treated as rehabilitated within the law. Further than that, it is a humand right not to be judged for ever on the basis of past mistakes. People can change, people can turn their lives around, and it is people with attitudes like yours that stops them doing so. It's easy to tar all offenders or ex-offenders with being mad, bad or dangerous. Much harder to face the truth that this is far from the truth. Pretty much like describing all unemployed people as benefit scroungers, just because there are a few who are... You don't happen to be unemployed do you?

scooby088

denla wrote: »

I'm guessing you've been to prison before...? Yes it's judgemental but it's good judgement that every employer should exercise. I wouldn't feel safe using the service of a company who hires ex-criminals because I'd always be questioning their integrity. I'd simply use the same service from another company instead. And if I'm working for a company hiring ex-criminals, I sure wouldn't feel safe.

So what if the offence was not paying the tv licence and then the subsequent fine??? Not everyone who has been released from prison is a murderer or rapist. Ex offenders have has much right to employment as anyone else has.

custardy

paddedjohn wrote: »

A bit judgemental don't you think? Going to prison is punishment enough without people like you serving sentence on him aswell.

well they opted into the sentence by not meeting their requirements of community service in the 1st place
does the OP put their business on hold for 3 months?

denla

SarEl wrote: »

Wow. Well you won't be coming around to our place then?? We have a policy, one that conforms to the law, that we do not discriminate against ex-offenders. It's the ex bit that's a dead give away - they are not criminals, nor offenders. You cannot treat everyone the same - people make mistakes, and they have a legal right to be treated as rehabilitated within the law. Further than that, it is a humand right not to be judged for ever on the basis of past mistakes. People can change, people can turn their lives around, and it is people with attitudes like yours that stops them doing so. It's easy to tar all offenders or ex-offenders with being mad, bad or dangerous. Much harder to face the truth that this is far from the truth. Pretty much like describing all unemployed people as benefit scroungers, just because there are a few who are... You don't happen to be unemployed do you?

People are judgemental at the end of the day, and soon as they know you've been to prison they will try their best to find a reasonable excuse to get rid of you without getting in trouble with the law. Only way companies bother hiring ex-convicts is if there not a single other applicant within a 50 mile radius. If there is I'm confident the ex-convict won't be given a chance.

I'm not unemployed, and I do judge benefit scroungers. It's easy to tell when someone's unemployed and making an effort to find a job. It's also easy to tell when someone applies that 2-3 jobs only because it's a minimum requirement by the job centre.