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Replacing old electric heating system

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  • michty6 wrote: »
    Do you think a bathroom needs a storage heater or just the switch on panel type? I'm inclined to go with the latter...

    PS. Why is there not a company out there specialising in 'non ugly' storage heaters??

    No, unless its 'barn sized', a switch-able only anything of your choice will be sufficient. Remember a 2kW heater at 240 volts is 8.3 amps so any 13a socket will do, done properly you should use a bathroom pull switch, if you do, make sure you get a 10a version I assume it will be a 1way.

    Because its not possible, the heat is stored in the brick, each brick is 230mm X 190mm X 50mm and weighs 7.5Kg per single brick, the little ones have 6 bricks and the big ones 16 bricks .. .. its the storage requirement that determines how many 230mm X 190mm X 50mm sized bricks need to fit in~a~box. You can never make a sylph like sexy slim box in the same way you can't get a quart into a pint pot.

    Ask anyone with a greenhouse or a pizza oven how much heat these bricks hold, they consider them gold dust for a very good reason. They can collect dozens or hundreds free from ebay and once laid as a floor / wall they have 24 hour free greenhouse heat overnight.
    Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ
  • Quick question: I saw some storage heaters and there were 3 types called '1 Rate', '2-4 Rate' and '5 Rate'. What on earth does this mean??
  • Richie-from-the-Boro
    Richie-from-the-Boro Posts: 6,945 Forumite
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    edited 12 December 2012 at 1:54AM
    michty6 wrote: »
    Quick question: I saw some storage heaters and there were 3 types called '1 Rate', '2-4 Rate' and '5 Rate'. What on earth does this mean??


    """I saw some storage heaters"""

    No you didn't, you saw some non-storage 13a aluminium panel convector heaters is that what you meant to write ?

    """'2-4 Rate' and '5 Rate'. What on earth does this mean??"""

    No idea, probably the controller / output, as in between 1 and 5 different auto output levels

    You can't get a quart into a pint pot, you are never going to get 16 bricks each weighing 7.5Kg into a box of a size designed for Panel Convection, only Paul Daniels can do that.

    brick : W1021mm x D193mm x H706mm
    alloy : W 785mm x D240mm x H410mm

    There is, as Tony Blair was fond of saying a 3rd way. Creda do .. .. do a fully automatic sexy but not much smaller 16 bricker alternative storage & convector heater that's both night store and direct acting day rate, its called the 'Creda Eco-Response'. The biggest one they do called ER500 has an output rate of 1.4, and can take an off peak of 2.6kW. However they do a smaller 12 bricker [1.0kW] and an even smaller still 8 bricker [0.7kW] that might fit your needs and financial capacity. If you can afford the price difference + install costs to replace my suggested panel heaters with the ER300's you will be fully PartL 2010 revision ready, a zone wire central control system is available to wire them all to a central controller, but I would never advise anyone other than 'new build' to go there.
    Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ
  • michty6
    michty6 Posts: 43 Forumite
    """I saw some storage heaters"""

    No you didn't, you saw some non-storage 13a aluminium panel convector heaters is that what you meant to write ?

    """'2-4 Rate' and '5 Rate'. What on earth does this mean??"""

    No idea, probably the controller / output, as in between 1 and 5 different auto output levels

    No they were definitely storage heaters. Here are the products. There is a significant price difference between '1 Rate' and '5 Rate', I was just wondering what these meant...

    http://www.alertelectrical.com/prodvar/4254/elnur-sh12a-17kw-automatic-storage-heater-white-1-rate

    http://www.alertelectrical.com/prodvar/4256/elnur-sh12a-17kw-automatic-storage-heater-white-5-rate
    There is, as Tony Blair was fond of saying a 3rd way. Creda do .. .. do a fully automatic sexy but not much smaller 16 bricker alternative storage & convector heater that's both night store and direct acting day rate, its called the 'Creda Eco-Response'. The biggest one they do called ER500 has an output rate of 1.4, and can take an off peak of 2.6kW. However they do a smaller 12 bricker [1.0kW] and an even smaller still 8 bricker [0.7kW] that might fit your needs and financial capacity.

    I saw this but it doesn't seem very good value for money to me. 1.4 Kw output is pretty low. And you can get an combination automatic storage heater with 2.5 Kw storage + 1.5 Kw panel output (like this for cheaper with a higher Kw output... Unless I'm missing something??
  • 1 Rate / 2 to 4 Rate / 5+ Rate is simply the price for multiple purchases, as in :

    - 1 x 1.7 will cost £206.87 inc. VAT + delivery each
    2-4 x1.7 will cost £184.68 inc. VAT + delivery each
    - 5 x 1.7 will cost £182.75 inc. VAT + delivery each
    Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ
  • michty6
    michty6 Posts: 43 Forumite
    Haahahahahha I'm such an idiot! Too much jargon being thrown around!
  • michty6
    michty6 Posts: 43 Forumite
    Thoughts on this?
    I saw this but it doesn't seem very good value for money to me. 1.4 Kw output is pretty low. And you can get an combination automatic storage heater with 2.5 Kw storage + 1.5 Kw panel output (like this for cheaper with a higher Kw output... Unless I'm missing something??
  • jalexa
    jalexa Posts: 3,448 Forumite
    edited 12 December 2012 at 9:03PM
    michty6 wrote: »
    Thoughts on this?

    Yes. Stop steering us down the storage heating route until you have ruled out the installation of mains gas.

    Apologies if you already have. And commiserations.

    And to answer the "1.4kW" question asked, hang the value, you should be designing the system and selecting the required radiator size based on room size, required temperature and u values.
  • michty6 wrote: »
    Thoughts on this?

    None, other than combined storage heaters are usually reserved for living area's only as I said somewhere in a earlier thread. Generally speaking they take care of those spring / autumn odd days when heat is required at core rate but the 'storage' or night storage rate is switched off. If you can afford them, and they would be 'overkill' in heating design because you don't 'live in' in bedrooms / bathrooms / kitchen, go for them, they would be the high end of luxury.

    I also said in an earlier thread that I don't like the 'fan assisted' [although some brands have twice the normal thickness of the standard storage heaters] but do like those with a supplementary convector heater. The one you allude to is convection so that's fine.

    NOTE01 : Large percentage of living time, just means the room or rooms you spend most of the 17 core price hours in.

    NOTE02 : There is no reason whatsoever, why, if you want to go that more expensive route why you shouldn't, none at all.
    Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ
  • michty6
    michty6 Posts: 43 Forumite
    jalexa wrote: »
    Yes. Stop steering us down the storage heating route until you have ruled out the installation of mains gas.

    Apologies if you already have. And commiserations.

    And to answer the "1.4kW" question asked, hang the value, you should be designing the system and selecting the required radiator size based on room size, required temperature and u values.

    Lol I'm not steering anyone anywhere. I'm trying to steer myself somewhere that I am happy with first!

    I had a guy from the gas network come round to survey the house and provide a quote for gas mains installation.

    Whilst I may get the gas mains connection installed (since from what I've read this is relatively cheap) the actual installation of the GCH system will be much further down the line due to the capital cost involved. I've also applied, having spoken with the energy saving trust, to have a 'Green Deal' assessment so we will see what that comes up with.

    In the meantime, I have to do something to provide decent, economic heating for my Mum and it seems that storage heaters are the best option for this. I'm all ears for any better suggestions though!
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