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NET MIGRATION - Are we finally coming to terms with this problem?
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I think the implicit assumption in the title is that net migration is a problem.0
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Maybe the reduction in the numbers of foreign students coming to our country could be because of the large increased fees in our Universities.
Having said that, the latest comments from the Border Agencies say...
"Over 150,000 notifications had accumulated and were awaiting action, meaning that potentially thousands of students had retained leave to remain when they should not have done so."0 -
Maybe the reduction in the numbers of foreign students coming to our country could be because of the large increased fees in our Universities.
It is a virtual export and many are willing to come here and pay considerably more (non EU) than our resident population pay. They effectively subsidise the university fees for locals so any reduction in actual students would be seen as bad.
If they only have an educational visa they are probably glad to move on to lands of greater perceived opportunity and relative reward."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Maybe the reduction in the numbers of foreign students coming to our country could be because of the large increased fees in our Universities.
Not sure about foreign students but if our own took their heads out of the duvet long enough they would see they have a good deal.
Good to see its on the decline, often the student tag is just a guise to get in turn up and register once then hop it and start their working career in Mcdonalds.0 -
Good to see its on the decline, often the student tag is just a guise to get in turn up and register once then hop it and start their working career in Mcdonalds.
You are no doubt right with some "colleges" doubt the Russell Group would see it that way."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
The UKBA haven't got a clue what they are doing. Though if you want to witness first hand how a bungling and incompetent government department staffed by officious jobsworths goes about wrecking a multi billion pound industry in the space of a couple of years then they are your men and women.
International student numbers certainly are down. The UK is seen as a much less attractive place to study now than it was a couple of years ago, there is also the perception that foreigners are not especially welcome here anymore. Canada, Australia and New Zealand are making the most of this situation.
For a lot of people even one 'foreign' student arriving at Heathrow is one too many.0 -
Even a less than impartial organisation, Migration Watch, estimates the income from non EU students at £5.7bn for 2010/2011. Source. So education is a major source of foreign earnings. For the long term we have the effect that having a UK higher education has on those people after they return home. Many gain an affection for and understanding of our country, which will be to our benefit as they reach influential positions in government or industry.
Its a great pity that all this is being put in jeopardy by the right's attempts to gain points in a crude numbers game.
A thought - presumably those wanting to ban students would be in favour of banning tourists as well. Surely this would do quite a lot to reduce the numbers squeezed shoulder to shoulder on our tightly overcrowded little island. It would also stop all those people overstaying on tourist visas. In numerical terms this must be a larger problem than students overstaying.
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grizzly1911 wrote: »It is a virtual export and many are willing to come here and pay considerably more (non EU) than our resident population pay. They effectively subsidise the university fees for locals so any reduction in actual students would be seen as bad.
If they only have an educational visa they are probably glad to move on to lands of greater perceived opportunity and relative reward.
Good foreign students paying loads to study at decent universities are a good thing.
But for years the "student visa" system was massively abused by phoney "students" from poorer countries who used it as a backdoor way in to the UK for unskilled wannabe economic migrants.
There was (and probably still is, although they've finally cracked down on the worst excesses) a whole industry of "visa agents" and phoney "colleges of English" that non-EU "students" would use to gain their student visa.
Once they were in the UK, they knew that they could work illegally, and that there was, in practice, not much chance that they would ever be made to leave.0 -
Good foreign students paying loads to study at decent universities are a good thing.
But for years the "student visa" system was massively abused by phoney "students" from poorer countries who used it as a backdoor way in to the UK for unskilled wannabe economic migrants.
There was (and probably still is, although they've finally cracked down on the worst excesses) a whole industry of "visa agents" and phoney "colleges of English" that non-EU "students" would use to gain their student visa.
Once they were in the UK, they knew that they could work illegally, and that there was, in practice, not much chance that they would ever be made to leave.
I agree and appreciate that, hence post 16."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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