Universal Jobmatch question?

gay_guy

tameside wrote: »

Another 'trap' with the universal jobmatch is when you select a job to look at you are given details with two options, APPLY or a drop down menu of reasons why you don't want to apply. My advise is NOT to choose any reason that you haven't applied, just go back to the search options. IF you choose a reason you could be 'self sanctioning' with your answer.

Yes I agree with this, Just press the back button if you don't know the reason why you don't wish to apply as if you click on the wrong reason you could be sanctioned, I think this is a trap to sanction any Jobseeker to save money :mad:

Gaz1971

Whats the final conclusion on this, is it compulsory or not? There are 3 threads on UJM and all have different info,this one says its compulsory to register but you dont have to give access, the other says you dont have to register at all and cant be forced to, which is right?

Also, when you say they can download your searches, do you mean if you have given them access to your account?

tameside

Not been tested in court BUT....

Yes, you HAVE to register if given a new Jobseekers agreement or have been 'directed' to by an advisor.

NO, you do not have to give permission for the jobcentre to have access.

They cannot download your searches if you have denied them access.

Hope this helps.

Gaz1971

Can I ask where you got this info from?

tameside

Gaz, I DO know these facts otherwise I'd stay silent.

The Universal Jobmatch has already been scammed at least 3 times for 'vacancies' in MI6, A Gay Princess wanted?, and An advert appeared last week for the Montcalm Hotel offering a staggering £3-5000 a month for bar work and catering staff. All candidates had to do is send a full CV, with contact details and a passport sized photograph, to an email address which appeared to emanate from Thailand.

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/universal-jobmatch-a-scammers-paradise/

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out_of_cash

tameside wrote: »

Not been tested in court BUT....

Yes, you HAVE to register if given a new Jobseekers agreement or have been 'directed' to by an advisor.

NO, you do not have to give permission for the jobcentre to have access.

They cannot download your searches if you have denied them access.

Hope this helps.

“Requiring Jobcentre Plus customers to use the Services
10.7 When the Services are implemented, Jobcentre Plus customers
(including potential jobseekers) will not be mandated to register and create
a profile.”
From: DWP TLMS Schedule 2.1, Authority (Universal Jobmatch)
Requirements http://www.contractsfinder.businesslink.gov.uk
“Q8. Does everyone have to register to search for jobs?
No, but if not, jobseeker’s will not be able to access all the facilities listed
in question 7.”
“Q13. Will claims to benefit be affected by the service?
No, this is a job posting and matching service, which is open to everyone,
not just benefit claimants and is not connected to any claims.”
From: Universal Jobmatch question and answer brief
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/universal-jobmatch-faqs.pdf (August 2012)
"The first time you login you can set up a profile and authorise us (DWP)
[or not] to view your account and send you messages."
From: Jobcentre leaflet - An overview of Universal Jobmatch for
jobseekers
“It is not compulsory for jobseekers to use UJM”
From: PCS Union, Department for Work and Pensions group
"Site [Universal Jobmatch] security
You are responsible for making sure that your log-in details (your
username and password) are kept secret."
"2.3 You agree not to:
2.3.12 share your login credentials to the site with anyone else"
From: jobsearch.direct.gov.uk and jobvacancies.businesslink.gov.uk

Lip_Stick

tameside wrote: »

Another 'trap' with the universal jobmatch is when you select a job to look at you are given details with two options, APPLY or a drop down menu of reasons why you don't want to apply. My advise is NOT to choose any reason that you haven't applied, just go back to the search options. IF you choose a reason you could be 'self sanctioning' with your answer.

Looked at the list of reasons too, and some of them seem the very reasons they'd sanction you. I'm surprised 'Can't be bothered, prefer the dole' isn't listed. Seems like they're setting people up, and hardly being discrete about it.

Yarbles

Q8. Does everyone have to register to search for jobs?

No, but if not, jobseeker’s will not be able to access all the facilities listed in
question 7.

BTW you can do all the things mentioned whithin question 7 without using Universal Jobmatch

Yarbles

Some more info from a freedom of information (FOI) request to the DWP

whatdotheyknow.com/request/universal_jobmatch_info

Also Google dwpmonstersolution.pdf for the dwp/universal_jobmatch monster.co.uk contract provisions(select quickview)

10.7 When the Services are implemented, Jobcentre Plus customers (including potential jobseekers) will not be mandated to register and create a profile.” From: DWP TLMS Schedule 2.1, Authority (Universal Jobmatch)

Universal Jobmatch guidance for Jobcentre plus staff

whatdotheyknow.com/request/138593/response/336508/attach/8/Learning%20Product%204.pdf

promoting and encouraging is as strong as it gets

DCFC79

gay_guy wrote: »

Well its obvious that they will spy on me if I give them permission to access my account as its like big brother spying on you 24/7.

Also I don't have a printer so I am unable to print them of

You wouldn't be spied on 24/7, I would imagine the staff have better things to do than spy on job seekers 24/7.