Speeding through a red light

TheWaltons_3

If someone were speeding through a red light... and caught on camera... what is the penalty?

The paper thing that came through didn't just give a chance to send payment.

The person who did it has only got a provisional driving licence. There was someone in the car also, in the back middle seat... but the driver... had no L Plates on. What is best? Ask someone kindly to take the points, or accept the trouble with the Law?

What would the trouble be with the Law?

alwaysonthego_2

The person should take responsibilty for their own actions and I would expect them to get points. If the person get 6 points or more when they pass their test their licence will be immediatly revoked meaning they will have to retake their theory and practical test again

piggeh

I imagine that the camera could not have caught them doing both (speeding & going through a red light, and maybe even cannot prove they had no L plates)?

Failing to disclose who the driver was amounts to a 3 points fine I believe.

manda1205

They have most likely got caught for the red light jump not the speeding. The letter is called a NIP, Notice of Intended Prosecution, all it requires is the name of the person driving first. You're looking at £60 fine and 3 points for a full licence driver, a provisional driver will have no licence, no insurance possibly twoc, Taken Without Consent. Or the owner of the vehicle could also be done for allowing the unlicenced driver to take it, plus the fine and points. This is all if the cops did their homework and really looked into it, cameras are pretty good at taking pics, so would prob know there was no l-plates and maybe no person in front seat.
Find someone legal to take the points, although this is illegal and not condonned by myself, and the person must be insured to drive the said vehicle.
Someones been a naughty boy! (can't imagine it was a girl, but you never know)

arnie&caseysma!

I am just sitting thinking about the offences here

1. Speeding
2. Running a red light
3. Driving not in accordance with a drivers licence (must be supervised by a person aged 21 or over and having held a full licence for 3 years or more who is sitting beside the driver - they are not going to be any use in the back seat are they?)
4. Failing to display 'L' plates
5. No insurance
6. Cause and permit offences committed by the owner of the vehicle if this is different to the driver

There are bound to be more aswell..........these things can snowball and far more charges can be detected if enquiries are conducted properly.

anewman

I would let the person who was driving the car take the rap. There's a reason you need to pass a driving test, just like there's a reason for having traffic signal cameras (the same reason going through a red light will fail you on a driving test. The light cameras are in places where people tend to run the lights and it may cause an accident), just like there's a reason for the signs telling you there are traffic signal cameras. Same with insurance, same with L plates etc etc.

If the owner of the vehicle was stupid enough to let a learner driver take the car on their own uninsured etc then the owner could take the fine and penalty points, but still both parties are guilty.

zappahey

manda1205 wrote: »

...so would prob know there was no l-plates and maybe no person in front seat.

Assuming the person in the back has a full licence, is it the law that the accompanying driver must be in the front seat?

I have a vague recollection that that is not the case but a quick Google doesn't seem to offer the definitive answer.

manda1205

zappahey wrote: »

Assuming the person in the back has a full licence, is it the law that the accompanying driver must be in the front seat?

I have a vague recollection that that is not the case but a quick Google doesn't seem to offer the definitive answer.

Yes its the law the person has to be in front seat and have held a full driving licence for either 3 or 5 years (not sure on that bit).

anewman

The superviser is also not permitted to be over the legal alcohol limit or to use a mobile phone!

zappahey

manda1205 wrote:

Yes its the law the person has to be in front seat and have held a full driving licence for either 3 or 5 years (not sure on that bit).

I can find references for the 3 years bit but not the front seat, do you have one? Not saying you're wrong, just interested.

manda1205

zappahey wrote: »

I can find references for the 3 years bit but not the front seat, do you have one? Not saying you're wrong, just interested.

I can't remember if it was a leaflet with your provisional licence or if it states it in your insurance. I'm now gonna try and find out, defo it's the front seat though.