PNC from a pub car park - advice needed please

heidibear01

Hi guys, I'm hoping you can help. I've today received a PNC from a company called Norfolk Parking Enforcement & I'm thinking I should ignore, ignore, ignore!!! I went shopping in Aldi which I have used for many months & I'm fully aware of the Parking Eye scheme they use & always key in my reg plate after shopping (I'm a good girl . Today I go to the store as usual & park in a bay. The store I use share the car park with a pub. The pub have now decided to use the services of a separate parking enforcement company. The car park was rammed & I pulled into a space with blue lines. I just assumed - stupidly, that Aldi had just redone the lines in a more distinctive colour. I didn't see a sign in front of me as I pulled in & no other markings in the bay telling me this was for the use of the pub users only. It was only when I got back to my car, exactly 8 mins after being issued the ticket & upon seeing the notice stuck to my window that I looked over to the side of the bay & saw a sign. Must have been 30 feet away, maybe more. I'm angry with myself for not noticing & for not thinking more as to why the lines were now blue. I have 14 days to pay the £60, if not I have to pay £100.They're very gracious though & give you 28 days to appeal. If I lose the appeal however I have to pay £100 & not £60!!!! Am I right in thinking that I should ignore this preposterous demand? Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Kite2010

Norfolk Parking Enforcement

Sounds like a private company, I doubt they are on the BPA list of approved operators so you might not even get any letters as they can't buy your details from the DVLA

So my advice is to ignore them.

RENEGADE_2

Am I right in thinking that I should ignore this preposterous demand?

Well! You decide!

Here is what you need to know. The demand is unlawful because it does not reflect landowner losses, as such, this makes it unenforceable - which means that if the PPC took you to court, the case would be chucked out! The landowner in turn and his precious parking company and mere rogues no different from ParkingEye and ALDI out to make bucks for themselves via these illicit bullying tactics.

Now ask yourself again...

Do you pay?

Kite2010

Total loss to the landowner (I'm assuming the pub) will most likely be zero.

Bessy_the_Dog

Kite2010 wrote: »

Total loss to the landowner (I'm assuming the pub) will most likely be zero.

It could be that the pub licensee has done this off his own back, the car park and pub may well be the property of a brewery or pub chain etc, they as landowners may not even be aware a PPC is operating in their car park

heidibear01

Thank you for your speedy replies!!!! Norfolk Parking Enforcement are on the BPA list of approved operators. Does this matter? Sorry in advance if this sounds stupid.

Renegade - I could not possibly drink £60 worth of wine in 8 mins

Bessy_the_Dog

Kite2010 wrote: »

Norfolk Parking Enforcement

Sounds like a private company, I doubt they are on the BPA list of approved operators so you might not even get any letters as they can't buy your details from the DVLA

So my advice is to ignore them.

On their website they claim to be on the approved operators list of the BPA

http://www.parkingprotection.co.uk/ABOUT-US.html

RENEGADE_2

heidibear01 wrote: »

Norfolk Parking Enforcement are on the BPA list of approved operators. Does this matter?

If it were true, no it still wouldn't make a difference. You need to realise that your demand is unlawful. There is no exclusive wordly club to which you may belong that turns an illegal demand into a legal demand. Yours is wholly illegal. Ignore them.

heidibear01

Renegade, thank you!!!! I will take your advice & ignore.

esmerobbo

Yes they are BPA AOS members but that means nothing, and if this paragraph from their website is anything to go by they don't know their ar5e from their elbow!

"The government has announced that parking enforcement providers will only be able to use Parking Charge Notices and that only be issued by those companies who are Approved Operators with The British Parking Association".

peter_the_piper

I think I would disagree with you there, I'm certain they know exactly what the legislation says and means. They are not going to say "Oh by the way, you should tell us who the driver is, if you don't we will have to send our unenforcible invoices to the RK. If they don't pay we'll give up.""are they? they put the worst possible spin onto it to bamboozle the driver into paying. They know that if they don't get at least 50% (my guess) to just pay up it all falls down around their ears. Then the park owners will have to actually have an employee to help the people park, ie Manageing the car park.