Why is it the working class are getting targeted.

nannytone_2

god fprbid that a nit more of your earnt money, and a bit less of other peoples taxes, should be spent on raising children that deccided to bring into the world.

pre tax credits, families raised their kids to the best of their ability almost entirely without additiona benefit.
now people gripe because they think the state SGOULD help.

all i can say to the OP is ... grow up, and feel pride in supporting YOUR kids a little more thaan you did before.

KiKi

Mummy_Sarah wrote: »

Following my discovery of me finding out I will be only keeping 59% of my wage because 41% of it will be taken off in child tax I decided to look at other scenarios.
If we decided for me not to go to work and instead have another child (we have two already), we would be having more than if we were both working.
Now with 2 children...
435.20 (me part time doing 16 hours)
237.20 (child tax)
1050 (my partners wage)
133 (child benefit)
=1855.40

with 3 children and not working my part time job
616 (child tax)
1050 (my partners wage)
185 (child benefit)
50 working tax
=1901

with 4 children and not working part time job
824 (child tax)
1050 (my partners wage)
238 (child benefit)
50 (working tax)
=2162

no wonder a lot of people out there are having loads of babies. Personally I don't think its at all fair I got too children and me and my partner work really hard. We have £125 after bills a week bring home and other people in the same circumstances but with another or more children and don't have a part time job are more well off than us. am I wrong in thinking like this. It just doesn't seem fair.

Yes, you are wrong in thinking like that. You are not getting 41% taken off. You are earning more, so you need less help. You have to change your mindset .

After bills, I don't have £125 left per week. I wish I did. I don't have any children, I don't get any benefits (I wouldn't qualify, being single and childless) and 20% of my wage pays tax, much of which goes to pay others' benefits. You get £370 a month - for nothing. For choosing to have kids. And you know what? That just doesn't seem fair.

KiKi

LunaLady

You need to focus on the fact that you are supporting your children and taking less from the state for it. Pride should keep you going.

[Deleted User]

yet another thread that should be on DT,where the OP will get eaten alive

Dunroamin

Mummy_Sarah wrote: »

£125 for a family of four with mum working part time
or £180 odd for a family of five with mum not working (an extra 50%)
I think this is unfair.x

But you'd have an extra child to feed, clothe, house and educate out of that extra £55 so you'd be no better off.

BigAunty

There have been a number of changes, and proposed changes, to the benefit system that have affected nearly every recipient. Unfortunately (from the perspective of the OP) most relating to dependents has only had modest changes at most.

For some reason, it is the governments policy to passively give money to parents rather than provide services or infrastructure like child care, affordable housing and so on. We live in a high cost, low employment income economy.

Local housing allowance has been reduced in real terms and is capped, plus those who were previously allowed to keep part of it if their rent was cheaper than their allowance, and those who could have got a place to themselves at the age of 25 now have to share until they are 35.

Everyone on Incapacity Benefit is being ported over to ESA and I believe that the majority no longer qualify because the criteria is very much tighter. Everyone on Disability Benefit will be ported over to PIP and this will result in reductions.

Parents who once only had to work 16 hours per week as a couple now have to work 24 hours as a minimum to qualify for working tax credits. I believe the over 55s threshold for WTC has been scrapped.

In future, all social housing claimants with unoccupied spare bedrooms will not get full housing benefit and will face a shortfall of 14-25% of HB towards their rent.

Also, in England, local councils from next year will set their own discounts for council tax and many groups who previously never had to pay a penny in CT will no longer get full discounts as the councils budgets have been reduced.

So there are masses of changes, but mainly ring fenced for pensioners and those with dependents (bar some modest child benefit and tax credit changes).

sunnyone

What is unfair is that you get so much in benefits to start with, until early this century parents were expected to keep their own kids unless thay were sick/disabled, unemployed or a single parent so a majority of families only had kids they could afford.

There was a safety net back then but it was nothing like todays tax credits where the benefits given for children paid for their parents lifestyle choices.

tiddlertot

Don't you think that the answer is in the headline - 'Working Class'?

Where else is the government going to get the money from? You work - you pay taxes!

The 'Working Class' are having to subsidise the 'Non Working Class' aka 'The Benefit claimants'.

Don't tell me - get more money out of the non taxpayers and MP's?
They do pay their correct amount of tax according to the law. If they plan their life around tax avoidance good luck to them. Everybody in this country is entitled to do the same. Some do, some don't - that is their choice!

tiddlertot

sunnyone wrote: »

What is unfair is that you get so much in benefits to start with, until early this century parents were expected to keep their own kids unless thay were sick/disabled, unemployed or a single parent so a majority of families only had kids they could afford.

There was a safety net back then but it was nothing like todays tax credits where the benefits given for children paid for their parents lifestyle choices.

People actually plan their lifestyle around the benefits that are available.

How many times do we see on here of a family, both on a sickness/disability benefit/s ask what else can they get because the woman had got herself pregnant with her 3/4/5th child?

Tiddlywinks

miduck wrote: »

You misunderstand - you are not having anything taken off you, you are simply receiving less because you earn sufficient to look after your family without state intervention.

Benefits are intended as a safety net, if you are capable of work you aim to earn as much as you can - you appear to be aiming to maximise your benefits instead.

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.

OP - you should be grateful that your family has a living wage - crack on and enjoy what you have rather than worrying about what you're missing.

As to family planning - have another child ONLY if the motive is entirely that you want another little one to love and cherish NOT to maximise your benefits.

Your family - YOUR responsibility - the state should be there to support in hard times, not be seen as the normal way to spend the rest of your life.