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  • LittleMax
    LittleMax Posts: 1,408 Forumite
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    But had they though? Did they get a receipt of the transaction.

    Are you saying that a transaction is now complete if you just leave your method of payment on the counter?

    Jeff is correct. There is no contract until your offer has been accepted by the store. You can't just throw a voucher, or even cash at them and remove the item.

    This is all about an invitation to treat as per the infamous case of Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain v Boots Cash Chemists (Southern) Ltd (1953). A shop displaying goods does not have to sell the goods to someone who is willing to pay for them. So when you offer to exchange a voucher for the good they can refuse. Therefore you have no contract and if you remove the goods from the store it is theft.
  • kermitfrog
    kermitfrog Posts: 1,089 Forumite
    goater78 wrote: »
    Buy a TV, walk out, and just leave some shiny rocks on the counter as payment...

    I have some beads which are legal currency in parts of Papua New Guinea. Anyone know how many I'd need to pay for a Samsung 32" LED TV?
  • Gordon_Hose
    Gordon_Hose Posts: 6,259 Forumite
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    If you don't have a receipt (the cashier wouldn't give you one) how can your prove you bought the item?

    It's theft.
  • kermitfrog wrote: »
    I have some beads which are legal currency in parts of Papua New Guinea. Anyone know how many I'd need to pay for a Samsung 32" LED TV?


    7,842. Just leave them on the counter when you leave, dont worry , tell them Azari said you wont get nicked for theft , even if you threw the box of beads at them
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  • Azari
    Azari Posts: 4,317 Forumite
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    edited 6 November 2012 at 1:22PM
    But had they though? Did they get a receipt of the transaction.

    What I'm saying is that it is a grey area.

    It's by no means the only one.

    The problem for the CPS would not be one of plain fact, it would be demonstrating that it was a criminal matter and not a civil one.

    I know a lot of people here can be very certain that they are correct and be very dogmatic about their opinion.

    However, the reason why lawyers tend to be pretty well off is that the law is not quite so clear cut as a lot of people would like to believe. Solicitors frequently tell their clients (in civil cases): "It depends on how the judge feels on the day". In other words, even with all their training and experience they cannot be sure of the outcome in a lot of cases.
    Are you saying that a transaction is now complete if you just leave your method of payment on the counter?

    Well, de facto, it is! Unless they physically stop you leaving with the item.

    Consider the case where you enter a shop and the shopkeeper is not present. You pick up a newspaper and leave the correct amount of money on the counter.

    Are you saying that the transaction is incomplete or that you could be charged wit theft?

    This is why it's by no means as clear cut as people would like to believe.
    There are two types of people in the world: Those that can extrapolate information.
  • Azari wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that it is a grey area.

    .

    No it isnt. You cannot walk out of a shop without completing a transaction or else it is theft.

    That is pretty much black and white.


    Unless you are saying that if you were paying with cash you could just walk out the shop thinking the transaction was complete because you put the cash on the counter?
    "If you no longer go for a gap, you are no longer a racing driver" - Ayrton Senna
  • Azari
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    7,842. Just leave them on the counter when you leave, dont worry , tell them Azari said you wont get nicked for theft , even if you threw the box of beads at them

    Don't encourage him to lie.

    I said no such thing.

    I said that it's not as cut and dried as a lot of (non legally qualified) people here seem to think.
    There are two types of people in the world: Those that can extrapolate information.
  • Gordon_Hose
    Gordon_Hose Posts: 6,259 Forumite
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    I don't see any grey area here.
  • System
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    In this "new" approach to shopping. Does this mean when I return damaged products to store I can just walk in, leave the item on the counter and walk out with a new item without talking to the staff?

    This could be the future.
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  • Gordon_Hose
    Gordon_Hose Posts: 6,259 Forumite
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    goater78 wrote: »
    In this "new" approach to shopping. Does this mean when I return damaged products to store I can just walk in, leave the item on the counter and walk out with a new item without talking to the staff?

    This could be the future.

    I don't know why nobody thought of this before! :rotfl:
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