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NHS should provide retirement housing

Graham_Devon
Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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Comment put to the Lords today...
The committee was told that the NHS should play a bigger role in funding older people's housing. Chris Jones, director of Care & Repair Cymru, said: "Providing these types of services is not a housing issue: it's a social care issue; it's an NHS issue.

"For us there's a mission to get the NHS to understand that actually providing good quality housing probably makes sound economic sense. I think it would be a big step forward to have some health funding coming into this important area."
Discuss.... ! :undecided

http://www.guardian.co.uk/housing-network/2012/nov/05/government-housing-policy-first-time-buyers-elderly
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  • ruggedtoast
    ruggedtoast Posts: 9,819 Forumite
    Graham_Devon wrote: »
    Comment put to the Lords today...


    Discuss.... ! :undecided

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/housing-network/2012/nov/05/government-housing-policy-first-time-buyers-elderly

    Personally I think the way old people are treated in the UK is an absolute disgrace. Lonely, abandoned, forgotten, eking out a miserable existence in horrible care homes.

    I very much doubt the NHS of all things is going to ameliorate this problem however considering it seems to struggle to even remember to change peoples sheets once a week or not give them the wrong medicine.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    Graham_Devon wrote: »
    Comment put to the Lords today...


    Discuss.... ! :undecided

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/housing-network/2012/nov/05/government-housing-policy-first-time-buyers-elderly

    Whether it comes out of local authority budgets or the NHS the money has got to be found from somewhere and that is the problem.

    I understand that bed blocking by older patients does cause issues for the NHS where they cannot "release" them, after treatment, into the community as there is a lack of suitable accommodation. At which point the game of patient ping pong commences.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    grizzly1911 wrote: »
    Whether it comes out of local authority budgets or the NHS the money has got to be found from somewhere and that is the problem.

    What about the money coming from retirement savings?

    Why is the taxpayer the assumed first port of call?
  • moneyinmypocket
    moneyinmypocket Posts: 908 Forumite
    If you want the state to look after the elderly raise taxes
  • tanith
    tanith Posts: 8,091 Forumite
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    What about the money coming from retirement savings?

    Why is the taxpayer the assumed first port of call?

    Many retirees are tax payers..:o
    #6 of the SKI-ers Club :j

    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    grizzly1911 wrote: »
    Whether it comes out of local authority budgets or the NHS the money has got to be found from somewhere and that is the problem.

    I understand that bed blocking by older patients does cause issues for the NHS where they cannot "release" them, after treatment, into the community as there is a lack of suitable accommodation. At which point the game of patient ping pong commences.


    most bed blocking is caused by the lack of 'care' provision rather than the lack of accommodation especially as the 'care' provision is funded by local authorities
  • Loughton_Monkey
    Loughton_Monkey Posts: 8,913 Forumite
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    The article criticises help for young FTB's, and says concentrate on the elderly.

    My own view is that we should concentrate on everybody.

    Having been born in an NHS hospital, and had a state education, and constant free NHS cover, we ought, at age 18, be given free houses, benefits, increased benefits for each child we choose to have, and of course any floods, fire, theft, and accidental damage of our possessions should be funded by the state.

    Mobility allowance will cover our travel.

    This would eliminate the cost of pensions, since because none of us would work, retirement ceases to apply. We simply continue to live in the free house or go into free care if necessary.

    I can't see any problems with this at all. But then again, maybe reading the Guardian has warped my thinking....
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »
    What about the money coming from retirement savings?

    Why is the taxpayer the assumed first port of call?

    I read this as people who couldn't afford to provide for themselves. I wouldn't expect Maggie to be paid for .
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    most bed blocking is caused by the lack of 'care' provision rather than the lack of accommodation especially as the 'care' provision is funded by local authorities

    I accept that I read the article as "social care".
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • McKneff
    McKneff Posts: 38,857 Forumite
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    ruggedtoast wrote: »
    Personally I think the way old people are treated in the UK is an absolute disgrace. Lonely, abandoned, forgotten, eking out a miserable existence in horrible care homes.

    I very much doubt the NHS of all things is going to ameliorate this problem however considering it seems to struggle to even remember to change peoples sheets once a week or not give them the wrong medicine.

    It really isnt that bad, My OH and I are pensioners, we manage quite well, we eat well, have holidays, telly, sky,

    We own our own house so no rent to pay or should I say no getting handouts from the government etc.

    Im quite happy thank you very much.
    make the most of it, we are only here for the weekend.
    and we will never, ever return.
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