London. Housing benefit claimants shifted outside the capital

tomsanderson617

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes to an extent; but there are 'cheap' parts of London with reasonable travel time and costs

Not cheap enough for min wage earners to live there without housing benefit.

The article says "They say rising rents in London coupled with the introduction next April of stringent benefit caps leave them in an impossible position, with no option but to initiate an outflow of poorer families from the capital by placing homeless households in cheaper areas, often many miles from their home borough."

So these poorer families will either lose their jobs or have to travel long distances to work. Will it be worth it for them after travel expenses well they are already on min wage or close to qualify for housing benefit.

tomsanderson617

It is mainly families with more than a couple of kids we are talking about here isn't it? I mean next April HB is going to be capped at £400 a week. Well that will still get a nice flat for a small family. Its the large families that will be moved out to Wales and all these other places -


"Guardian research shows London councils have acquired rental properties in Luton, Northampton, Broxbourne, Gravesend, Dartford, Slough, Windsor, Margate, Hastings, Epping Forest, Thurrock and Basildon, and are considering accommodation as far away as Manchester, Hull, Derby, Nottingham, Birmingham and Merthyr Tydfil in south Wales."

This is going to free up a lot of properties in London, could there be a lot of new large properties coming on the market previously occupied by low income families with lots of kids?

'Merthyr Tydfil in south Wales.' Well they will certainly not be able to keep their low wage jobs in London All these cuts are just making unemployment go up even more.


Then they said " The government had hoped the housing benefit reforms would force landlords to reduce rents to within cap limits."

Give it time.........

tomsanderson617

wotsthat wrote: »

Just thinking the same thing. There's no problem if you're earning loads of money but getting lower paid staff will just get harder and harder. Not sure which is more palatable to business - paying higher wages or moving.

As a taxpayer I wonder why my taxes need to be used to subsidise London companies via tax credits and the like so they can pay their cleaners and canteen staff minimum wage.

But cleaners and menial jobs have to be done by someone. So you are suggesting when housing benefit cuts appear some businesses will move away from London?

Yes housing benefit payments have been far to high up to now which has pushed up rents, and yes helped London businesses to boom but its slowly coming to an end starting next April.

Lots of families are being moved far away from London, so yes many companies will have a hard time finding anyone left to do all the low paid jobs. They will just have to pay more if they want their toilets cleaned well.

But seriously, from now on the government is going to be paying less and less in benefits and lots more families will be forced to give up their low paid jobs in London for low paid jobs elsewhere. At least then they will have some of their wage/benefit left for living and not have it all go to high rents.

But rents will come down in London as housing benefit keeps getting cut every year from now on. There will be less demand and more supply as more and more families have to move far from London. Its got to be a good thing for the rest of the UK which is underpopulated.

silverchair

tomsanderson617 wrote: »

It is mainly families with more than a couple of kids we are talking about here isn't it? I mean next April HB is going to be capped at £400 a week. Well that will still get a nice flat for a small family. Its the large families that will be moved out to Wales and all these other places -


"Guardian research shows London councils have acquired rental properties in Luton, Northampton, Broxbourne, Gravesend, Dartford, Slough, Windsor, Margate, Hastings, Epping Forest, Thurrock and Basildon, and are considering accommodation as far away as Manchester, Hull, Derby, Nottingham, Birmingham and Merthyr Tydfil in south Wales."

This is going to free up a lot of properties in London, could there be a lot of new large properties coming on the market previously occupied by low income families with lots of kids?

'Merthyr Tydfil in south Wales.' Well they will certainly not be able to keep their low wage jobs in London All these cuts are just making unemployment go up even more.


Then they said " The government had hoped the housing benefit reforms would force landlords to reduce rents to within cap limits."

Give it time.........

I wouldn't mind a cheap council place in Windsor or Epping Forest.
The cleaner in the place I work rents privately, he has to budget though. I suppose more people have to look at their finances now and budget.
We rented privately in London and realised that we really couldnt afford to do so anymore and certainly couldnt afford to buy in London. We decided to move out of London and now I commute in. Public transport takes quite a large proportion of my wages and my time. This is what most people who are not in receipt of housing benefit have to do. Why should it be that someone on benefits has an easier time.
I totally agree with a housing benefit cap.

Conrad

tomsanderson617 wrote: »

So these poorer families will either lose their jobs or have to travel long distances to work. Will it be worth it for them after travel expenses well they are already on min wage or close to qualify for housing benefit.

Members of my family tree always lived according to means and moved as required.

This bizzare notion of entitlement that contributes to a greedy society living well beyond it's means, is utterly alien to me.

Conrad

tomsanderson617 wrote: »

But cleaners and menial jobs have to be done by someone.


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This is a non argument.

People accross the world manage to find a way to work in very expensive cities from Sydney to Singapore. All will be well, people find ways and adapt - what an odd notion this 'coping with life' is to some.

Entitlment mindset has to end.

grizzly1911

tomsanderson617 wrote: »

But cleaners and menial jobs have to be done by someone. So you are suggesting when housing benefit cuts appear some businesses will move away from London?

Yes housing benefit payments have been far to high up to now which has pushed up rents, and yes helped London businesses to boom but its slowly coming to an end starting next April.

Lots of families are being moved far away from London, so yes many companies will have a hard time finding anyone left to do all the low paid jobs. They will just have to pay more if they want their toilets cleaned well.

No they won't they will just pay the same, the people who work for them will have to adjust to living in sink conditions. There are pools of labour willing to live like that. Until that stops things won't change.

But seriously, from now on the government is going to be paying less and less in benefits and lots more families will be forced to give up their low paid jobs in London for low paid jobs elsewhere. At least then they will have some of their wage/benefit left for living and not have it all go to high rents.

So whose jobs are they going to take in the place in the places they are moving to? These areas often have high unemployment already.

But rents will come down in London as housing benefit keeps getting cut every year from now on. There will be less demand and more supply as more and more families have to move far from London. Its got to be a good thing for the rest of the UK which is underpopulated.

There is good reason why areas of the UK are less populated, there is nothing productive, large scale, to do there.

Why will it be good thing for the rest of the UK?

How will it benefit the UK?

This is just moving the sympton it does nothing to resolve the problem?

It may reduce the bill in London, a little, but it will be a high price that will be paid by the rest of the country.

tomsanderson617

There is no population problem in the UK it's just some areas are overpopulated and some underpopulated. The benefit cap will bring an equalizing all around.

grizzly1911

tomsanderson617 wrote: »

There is no population problem in the UK it's just some areas are overpopulated and some underpopulated. The benefit cap will bring an equalizing all around.

No it won't.

The south east will continue to rise at of sync to the rest of the country.

There will be limited extra funding to the regions as the Governement will want take the savings.

It will be the regions that will be left to pick up the pieces from families dumped on them with no support.

I don't think an extra bunch of benefit claimants dropped into Merthyr is going to help them one jot.

tomsanderson617

grizzly1911 wrote: »

No it won't.

The south east will continue to rise at of sync to the rest of the country.

There will be limited extra funding to the regions as the Governement will want take the savings.

It will be the regions that will be left to pick up the pieces from families dumped on them with no support.

I don't think an extra bunch of benefit claimants dropped into Merthyr is going to help them one jot.

Supply and demand. Simple. There will be less demand in London and more supply prices will fall.