We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

Debate House Prices


In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non MoneySaving matters are no longer permitted. This includes wider debates about general house prices, the economy and politics. As a result, we have taken the decision to keep this board permanently closed, but it remains viewable for users who may find some useful information in it. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

London. Housing benefit claimants shifted outside the capital

124

Comments

  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    Benefits actually keep wages down. If it were not for them, employers would have to pay a living wage or have no business at all.
  • MacMickster
    MacMickster Posts: 3,646 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    ILW wrote: »
    Benefits actually keep wages down. If it were not for them, employers would have to pay a living wage or have no business at all.

    They also allow businesses to appear viable/profitable, when if they had to pay a living wage, and hence increase their prices, they would have no market.

    Subsidising wages through benefits drives a race to the bottom in terms of wages. If a competitor is only paying their staff minimum wage, and they are competing with me for contracts, then I can't pay the higher living wage to my staff without giving my competitor a commercial advantage.
    "When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    tomsanderson617 wrote: »
    Yes either wages have to go up to meet rents or rents come down to meet min wage without housing benefit. Its too far and cost too much to travel from outside London just for a cleaning job.


    yes to an extent; but there are 'cheap' parts of London with reasonable travel time and costs
  • ukcarper
    ukcarper Posts: 17,337 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    yes to an extent; but there are 'cheap' parts of London with reasonable travel time and costs

    Care to define cheap rent and reasonable travel cost.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    yes to an extent; but there are 'cheap' parts of London with reasonable travel time and costs

    And time?


    filler
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    ukcarper wrote: »
    Care to define cheap rent and reasonable travel cost.



    For people with no jobs distance is irrelevant as they won't be commuting

    but places like Tottenham, Pecham are easy commuting distance and relatively cheap compared to Westminster or riverside residences.
  • ukcarper
    ukcarper Posts: 17,337 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    So about £100 a week for a room and £35 fares out of minimum wage which might not be full time.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    For people with no jobs distance is irrelevant as they won't be commuting

    but places like Tottenham, Pecham are easy commuting distance and relatively cheap compared to Westminster or riverside residences.

    Not that I know London Boroughs that weel but aren't they just relatively cheap rather than being cheap?

    No doubt Westminster don't want these sort of people actually being part of their community.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    looking at a couple both on min wage then perfectly do-able

    a 6 person family with one worker on min wage then it may not be easy

    but you do a little real research and do the maths and post up the results to add real value to the discussion
  • ukcarper
    ukcarper Posts: 17,337 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    So a single person can just about do it in a HMO and a couple in a studio. I expect that is what most people are already doing and most don't live in Westminster or Chelsea. Do you think it's right that big multi nationals pay London workers the same as people in less expensive parts of the country knowing tax credits will make up difference they even make this clear in job adverts.
This discussion has been closed.
★ ★ ★ Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 352.4K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.7K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454.4K Spending & Discounts
  • 245.4K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 601.2K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.6K Life & Family
  • 259.3K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.
Update Your Picture