Is Wi-Fi safe?

superscaper

peterbaker wrote: »

Jelly wobbles (resonates?) ... loose brains also wobble like jelly.

What else might make a brain wobble?

Millionare reckoned Bluetooth did it for him...

Well I'm not going to go into anecdotal evidence (there's no known proof and bluetooth makes even less sense as it changes frequency every millisecond).

What else might make a brain wobble? I can't even answer that as it is such a bizarre question that makes no scientific sense at all. I'm sure I asked to not use any odd metaphors or analogies.

thomas01155

I have noticed something suppisous(don't no how to spell it ) on my network i was using look@lan to see who's on. i noticed a new person on there with the same name as my computer
it says he's offline thought. I only have mac address sericuity on the network.

peterbaker

superscaper wrote: »

What else might make a brain wobble? I can't even answer that as it is such a bizarre question that makes no scientific sense at all.

Wobble as in behave eccentrically.

We know that drugs and alcohol can do it by altering the chemical function.

The First World War taught us that physically intrusive injury to various bits of it caused variously altered function.

We are lately led to believe that there are even genetic predispositions to certain types of brain malfunction.

It is also widely accepted that exposure to certain noise patterns and flash photography can also cause brain malfunction.

I am sure that isn't an exhaustive list.

Bluetooth, car key fobs, Wi-Fi, GSM, UMTS, 3G, TETRA, Microwave ... all these systems have some similarities. I accept there are also some differences. What purpose does it serve to suggest that they are probably harmless to brain function simply because we don't have blinding evidence of it?

I am simply asking are these things safe, and (primarily because in the last two years my flat has suddenly become saturated with Wi-Fi radiation when it wasn't before) should we not do a bit more to try and find out?

Need_More_Money_2

peterbaker wrote: »

I am simply asking are these things safe, and (primarily because in the last two years my flat has suddenly become saturated with Wi-Fi radiation when it wasn't before) should we not do a bit more to try and find out?

If there are any harmful effects, they will almost certainly be much less significant than the effects of worrying about it.

I've posted this before, but there were far more significant health effects after Chernobyl that came from needless worry about the radiation than there were from the radiation itself

superscaper

peterbaker wrote: »

I am simply asking are these things safe, and (primarily because in the last two years my flat has suddenly become saturated with Wi-Fi radiation when it wasn't before) should we not do a bit more to try and find out?

I've already said how small the microwave radiation is in terms of energy. What makes you think that people aren't trying to find out? The fact we haven't found any evidence so far of course doesn't mean it isn't damaging but that the effect must be so small for us not to detect it yet that it is practically negligible compared to the natural forms of radiation which actually have measurable damaging effects of cancer etc.

[Deleted User]

Hmmm mixed analogies by people who know little about neurophysiology

Doesn't that great big star we're orbiting output a fair dosage of EM radiation at a variety of wavelengths? You don't seem to be too effected by those

seaweasel

The best way to protect yourself from harmful electromagnetic radiation, sex offenders, drug users and immigrants is to stop reading the Daily Mail.

There is no evidence to suggest that the radio waves used by 802.11 are harmful in the least. "But what about those stories in the Daily Mail about teachers getting sick because of the wirelessess?!" Newsflash - have you ever worked in small, poorly ventilated rooms with flourescent lighting and dozens of computers generating lots of heat? There you go.

I really don't mean to be patronising but the tabloid press (and many sections of the media in general) are always putting out scare stories to sell papers. Go do some research yourself if you like, but you can't argue with physics.

peterbaker

superscaper wrote: »

I've already said how small the microwave radiation is in terms of energy. What makes you think that people aren't trying to find out?

Are we not risking wandering back to a discussion about the relative effects of hammers and spanners again? Surely the smallness of the energy is quite possibly not relevant to the type of 'damage' that might be occurring. Point a keyfob at my Audi and it will be gone (under its own steam) in the morning.

What makes me think that people aren't trying to find out? Well I am trying, in my little not very significant ways, but I do not believe there is currently the political will to pump serious money into such research.

The government took huge sums from the industry in the licence auctions and they are exercising an extremely light regulatory touch on the way the industry tries to get its money back.

I would also go further and dare to say that with the problems of living longer the cost of healthcare in old age and the spiralling cost of pensions are perhaps politically reason enough to turn a blind eye to an underlying and 'useful' 'background' mortality rate which might include unexplained sleep disorders, and largely unexplained cancers.

PS seaweasel, you can argue with physics - that's how all the important discoveries are made.

superscaper

There is also cosmic rays and as mentioned earlier the radiation from rocks etc. Living in cornwall significantly increases radiation dosage as well.

superscaper

peterbaker wrote: »

Are we not risking wandering back to a discussion about the relative effects of hammers and spanners again? Surely the smallness of the energy is quite possibly not relevant to the type of 'damage' that might be occurring. Point a keyfob at my Audi and it will be gone (under its own steam) in the morning.

Well we might have to agree to disagree on that. If a particular frequency or type of radiation is extremely damaging then the amount is all important. Alpha radiation is one of the most damaging types I know of but in small doses won't have any noticeable effect.