Poor quality sd picture

hardtimes

Hi

I have an Amstrad hd box and has anyone noticed how poor the sd pic is when watching live football on Sky sports. The match on Sunday was like youtube at times.

I do not have hd sub

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hardtimes wrote: »

I have an Amstrad hd box and has anyone noticed how poor the sd pic is when watching live football on Sky sports. The match on Sunday was like youtube at times.

There have been many accusations made that Sky deliberately no longer make any effort with the standard definition picture, no doubt to "encourage" people to upgrade to HD. No proper evidence for this has been presented, though.

It's far more likely that modern flat screen TVs just aren't capable of producing anything other than a moderately acceptable standard definition image.

As Kurtis said, ensure your interconnects are HDMI to ensure your HD box upscales the SD, otherwise you'll need to upgrade.

hardtimes

Kurtis_Blue wrote: »

are you using Hdmi to connect?

Yes connecting via hdmi

yangptangkipperbang

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

It's far more likely that modern flat screen TVs just aren't capable of producing anything other than a moderately acceptable standard definition image.

You are on the right track there but you haven't phrased it very well.............

modern flatscreen TVs, because of their better definition, show just how bad SD television really is !

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yangptangkipperbang wrote: »

modern flatscreen TVs, because of their better definition, show just how bad SD television really is !

SD was perfectly acceptable on the old CRT screens.
The modern flat screens are far larger but don't have the enormous rear end required of the CRTs. This is the main reason they've been so readily adopted, not for their inherent picture "quality". People seem to like the aesthetics of a super slim TV they can even hang on a wall...
It's the HD broadcasts which have the extra "definition", not the TVs themselves.

yangptangkipperbang

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

It's the HD broadcasts which have the extra "definition", not the TVs themselves.

What absolute garbage !! So millions of people have thrown away their "old" TVs, and bought new, to watch HD TV when they could have used their old CRT sets ?????

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

SD was perfectly acceptable on the old CRT screens.
The modern flat screens are far larger but don't have the enormous rear end required of the CRTs. This is the main reason they've been so readily adopted, not for their inherent picture "quality". People seem to like the aesthetics of a super slim TV they can even hang on a wall...
It's the HD broadcasts which have the extra "definition", not the TVs themselves.

You obviously do not have the slightest idea of how a CRT TV differs from a "flat screen" TV.
The main reason flat screens have been adopted is that they are capable of producing a much higher quality picture.
They are also cheaper to manufacture and are more robust - and more reliable as they don't have a huge thermionic valve in them.

Suggest you read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray_tube

then this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large-screen_television_technology

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yangptangkipperbang wrote: »

What absolute garbage !! So millions of people have thrown away their "old" TVs, and bought new, to watch HD TV when they could have used their old CRT sets ?????

"Millions" of people have had no choice since the CRT sets are no longer being produced. They've "thrown out" their old TVs mainly because they wore out. If CRTs had not been dispensed with entirely, the only restriction on their further development was the possible screen size which was limited to a maximum of 36".

In addition, the vast majority of people with the new sets don't have any high definition service whatsoever. Even those with a full subscription to SkyHD are still required to watch many many channels in standard definition.

yangptangkipperbang wrote: »

You obviously do not have the slightest idea of how a CRT TV differs from a "flat screen" TV.
The main reason flat screens have been adopted is that they are capable of producing a much higher quality picture.

Thanks for trying to "educate" me. I'm afraid you seem to be the one who has been brainwashed by manufacturers, retailers and (some) broadcasters.
I stand by my original comments.

almillar

Alright you two don't get your knickers in a twist! I think Moneyineptitude's post was, well, badly worded.
Flatscreens are NOT necessarily better quality than CRT. CRT can STILL beat LCD TVs in most living rooms today for colour, saturation and motion. CRT are also perfectly capable of 'HD' - any decent 19 inch CRT monitor is capable of far higher resolutions than HD. They were killed by their size.
If hardtimes watched the football on a 14 inch CRT, (s)he'd find the picture fantastic. Watching it on a big screen, is just zooming in on the picture further. it's the same information, stretched further. HD fills in some more information. The broadcast AND the screen both need to 'have the extra definition'.
yangptangkipperbang - the simple reasons why we've got flatscreens is because the manufacturers perceived that we wanted them, could make them and transport them more cheaply, and it got tied in with HD (which CRT is perfectly capable of) and digital (which, again, CRT is perfectly capable of).

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almillar wrote: »

Flatscreens are NOT necessarily better quality than CRT. CRT can STILL beat LCD TVs in most living rooms today for colour, saturation and motion. CRT are also perfectly capable of 'HD' - any decent 19 inch CRT monitor is capable of far higher resolutions than HD. They were killed by their size.

Didn't I say all this earlier? I'm not sure what was "badly worded" about it.;)

Yes, CRTs were "killed" by their enormous rear ends and the fact that flat screen technology became far more affordable. I still contest that a lot of these flat TVs (especially at the cheaper end of the spectrum) look far more attractive off than on when only showing SD broadcasts. Their main attraction is the size of the screen in relation to the amount of room they actually take up. People haven't simply flocked to buy them, however, the manufacturers and retailers have rather forced the issue by ceasing production of CRTs.

It's ironic that flat screen TVs have been sold as "HD ready" for years now, but most people don't enjoy that luxury and seem content to put up with the far inferior display of standard definition on the basis that the screens are bigger and they can hang them on the wall.

hardtimes

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

Didn't I say all this earlier? I'm not sure what was "badly worded" about it.;)

Yes, CRTs were "killed" by their enormous rear ends and the fact that flat screen technology became far more affordable. I still contest that a lot of these flat TVs (especially at the cheaper end of the spectrum) look far more attractive off than on when only showing SD broadcasts. Their main attraction is the size of the screen in relation to the amount of room they actually take up. People haven't simply flocked to buy them, however, the manufacturers and retailers have rather forced the issue by ceasing production of CRTs.

It's ironic that flat screen TVs have been sold as "HD ready" for years now, but most people don't enjoy that luxury and seem content to put up with the far inferior display of standard definition on the basis that the screens are bigger and they can hang them on the wall.

So basically there is not much I can do,apart from give sky £10.25 a month for HD Channels?

yangptangkipperbang

almillar wrote: »

yangptangkipperbang - the simple reasons why we've got flatscreens is because the manufacturers perceived that we wanted them, could make them and transport them more cheaply, and it got tied in with HD (which CRT is perfectly capable of) and digital (which, again, CRT is perfectly capable of).

In the main, that is what I said !

A standard CRT TV IS NOT capable of producing as good an quality picture as a flat screen. To say that "old" CRT TVs are capable of showing HD is as knowledgeable as saying the sun rises in the West !