Child Benefit Farce

The_White_Horse

i don't see how anyone cannot see the unfairness in a £60k family with one earner losing the CB and another family on £98k keeping it all.

must be lefties i guess, unable to do the maths.

in fact, a family with two £30k earners is already better off than a one earner £60k family.

if they want to cut costs, just STOP ALL CB. I would agree with that. but not the above.

grizzly1911

Could try salary sacrifice apparently

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100020984/how-to-beat-the-child-benefit-rule-change-and-other-tax-hikes/

Or even challenge the legality under EU law

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9641766/Child-benefit-cuts-may-be-illegal.html

John_Pierpoint

ukcarper wrote: »

Is the bus pass just a way to subsidise buses.

........and save the government (us) the need to build new roads at millions of pounds per mile.
........and save the government (us) the fines for failing to meet our co2 emission reduction targets.

CLAPTON wrote: »

Alternatively, one can say it encourages un-necessary journeys, increases taxes (as they are funded by taxes), burns un-necessary fuel, increases C02 emissions and helps destroy the planet.

The bus is going there anyway so virtually no change in the CO2 emissions.
My understanding is that each journey is paid at a rate of something not much more than 50p. These days nearly all the buses I have used expect the card to be put through a card reader - is big brother tracking me?
The only time I get a twinge of conscience is if the bus is full. It has only happened twice - once in central London where a party of tourists could not get on a fancy new expensive Boris Bus [the one with the spiral staircase a "homage" to the 1900 style tram] The other case was riding the bus from Luton airport to Milton Keynes. It was full by the time it reached the later stops in Luton.

Moby

The_White_Horse wrote: »

it would be ok if there was an equivalent tax cut. I will still be paying the same tax but not getting my small rebate.

the real issue I have is not losing the CB - it is that families that are far better off get to keep theirs. it is a sickening state of affairs.

You are inconsistent. On the one hand you say you'd rather they got rid of CB altogether and on the other you are sickened by the way it is distributed:rotfl:
Is it because white horse and his/her 'off spring' may be losing out perchance?

Generali

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i don't see how anyone cannot see the unfairness in a £60k family with one earner losing the CB and another family on £98k keeping it all.

must be lefties i guess, unable to do the maths.

in fact, a family with two £30k earners is already better off than a one earner £60k family.

if they want to cut costs, just STOP ALL CB. I would agree with that. but not the above.

You're on £60,000. Why does it matter to you so much if someone making more gets a few hundred quid a year in child benefit? They will equally be paying far more in tax.

Overall that person's net contribution to the state will be higher

Zero_Sum

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i don't see how anyone cannot see the unfairness in a £60k family with one earner losing the CB and another family on £98k keeping it all.

must be lefties i guess, unable to do the maths.

in fact, a family with two £30k earners is already better off than a one earner £60k family.

if they want to cut costs, just STOP ALL CB. I would agree with that. but not the above.

Other way round. Its the Tories who are not means testing household income as its not cost effective. It was Gideon Osbourne who come out & said this was fair.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

You're on £60,000. Why does it matter to you so much if someone making more gets a few hundred quid a year in child benefit? They will equally be paying far more in tax.

Overall that person's net contribution to the state will be higher

Er no. Two earner households will already be paying less percentage tax with two allowances and two sets of lower rate. The tax credits system wouldballow the benefit to be distributed on a means tested basis if this was desired however the purpose is political not financial hence the deliberate attempt to make it as visible as possible.

PaulF81

Time o replace paye and forc every uk employee onto it? Would ork much cheaper than means testing.

CLAPTON

[QUOTE=John_Pierpoint;56870151

The bus is going there anyway so virtually no change in the CO2 emissions.
My understanding is that each journey is paid at a rate of something not much more than 50p. These days nearly all the buses I have used expect the card to be put through a card reader - is big brother tracking me?
The only time I get a twinge of conscience is if the bus is full. It has only happened twice - once in central London where a party of tourists could not get on a fancy new expensive Boris Bus [the one with the spiral staircase a "homage" to the 1900 style tram] The other case was riding the bus from Luton airport to Milton Keynes. It was full by the time it reached the later stops in Luton.


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some bus companies react to demand by providing more buses.

afternoons around school throwing out time, buses are routinely full of elderly people returning from their free trips so some bus companies do actually run more buses.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Er no. Two earner households will already be paying less percentage tax with two allowances and two sets of lower rate. The tax credits system wouldballow the benefit to be distributed on a means tested basis if this was desired however the purpose is political not financial hence the deliberate attempt to make it as visible as possible.

Who said anything about percentages?