Child Benefit Farce

Zero_Sum

shop-to-drop wrote: »

Therefore many will have additional income like tax credits and other benefits topping them up unlike the family in the example with one high earner.

This makes a lot of difference which you seem to be oblivious to this.

Also if this figure is gross before tax this will make a difference too as the one high earner will pay more in tax and NI than 2 lower earners in a household with identical gross earned income.

even taking that into account, there's still more households with a smaller income

shop-to-drop

Zero_Sum wrote: »

even taking that into account, there's still more households with a smaller income

But they would not be any where near the top 10% wealthiest.

BobQ

The_White_Horse wrote: »

typical lefty nonsense.

I defy you to find anything lefty in that posting!

Equaliser123

Zero_Sum wrote: »

erm I did say I was childless. And (touch wood) have rarely ever used the NHS.

That's not how the NHS works either!!!!

If you needed treatment then, thank God, you have one of the best healthcare systems in the world.

What do you want? Some sort of no claims discount on your tax bill?

I have private medical insurance which I pay tax on as it is a benefit in my employment. Yet I am less of a burden on the state. Go figure that one.

Zero_Sum

shop-to-drop wrote: »

But they would not be any where near the top 10% wealthiest.

thats why I said top 30-40%. They'll be on the top 10% salaries, but 'household' lower down due to some having 1 high earner only, others 2 low/average earners etc.

Zero_Sum

Equaliser123 wrote: »

That's not how the NHS works either!!!!

If you needed treatment then, thank God, you have one of the best healthcare systems in the world.

What do you want? Some sort of no claims discount on your tax bill?

I have private medical insurance which I pay tax on as it is a benefit in my employment. Yet I am less of a burden on the state. Go figure that one.

I'm not saying that at all. I wouldn't swap our system over what the Americans have & glad we have the NHS. I'm just disputing the claim that I (my current circmstances) was a net taker & that the more wealthy subsidise my holidays.

shop-to-drop

Zero_Sum wrote: »

thats why I said top 30-40%. They'll be on the top 10% salaries, but 'household' lower down due to some having 1 high earner only, others 2 low/average earners etc.

That's the whole point though. Why are they going to lose child benefit when so many better off will keep it? If they have several children there could be very little difference in household income than with a non working family especially if the high earner has high costs associated with working ie travel costs and clothing etc which is often the case with high level jobs. It is a real slap in the face for someone who is contributing much more than their fair share to the country.

Zero_Sum

shop-to-drop wrote: »

That's the whole point though. Why are they going to lose child benefit when so many better off will keep it? If they have several children there could be very little difference in household income than with a non working family especially if the high earner has high costs associated with working ie travel costs and clothing etc which is often the case with high level jobs. It is a real slap in the face for someone who is contributing much more than their fair share to the country.

see post #177

BobQ

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

TWH - I'm in a very situation to you. I earn, my wife doesn't, we're waiting for the letter telling us to do self assessment. In my case I can increase pension contributions or childcare vouchers a touch to bob back under the threshold. I agree with you that the situation is utterly stupid and grossly unfair.

However, where we differ is that unlike you I don't wage a one-man fatwa against people on benefits. Unlike you I recognise that however unfair I may consider the child benefits rule change to be, it is NOTHING to compared to how unfairly this government is treating the disabled, the sick, the dying, and the truly poor. Or that the government does so cheered on by people like you.

Anyway, I am cheered in one thing. When the man who complains about people getting benefits complains about losing his benefits, you truly appreciate just how selfish, insular and downright stupid people like you truly are.

Nothing to add, just wanted to repeat your excellent comment.

TWH will no doubt be along later to call it lefty nonsense.:)

Equaliser123

Zero_Sum wrote: »

I'm not saying that at all. I wouldn't swap our system over what the Americans have & glad we have the NHS. I'm just disputing the claim that I (my current circmstances) was a net taker & that the more wealthy subsidise my holidays.

Sorry but unless you are in the top 35% of earners you are a net beneficiary.