What car?

ddebski_us

Or; been looking at Focus; how does this model appear?

Focus 1.6 TDCi 110 Zetec - seems low on tax, high mpg etc?

(Sorry, I have no clue - please be kind!)

xDx

gabbleRatchet

ddebski_us wrote: »

Or; been looking at Focus; how does this model appear?

Focus 1.6 TDCi 110 Zetec - seems low on tax, high mpg etc?

(Sorry, I have no clue - please be kind!)

xDx

The Focus and Golf are generally regarded as the standard by which all other cars in the class are judged so you can't really go wrong with a Focus.

There are a lot of differing opinions flying about regarding the reliability of modern Diesels and the cost effectiveness of buying one if you don't cover a lot of miles.

It's something to research before taking the plunge with a Diesel thinking that it's automatically going to be cheaper to run

verityboo

gabbleRatchet wrote: »

Really? A quick Google reveals...................nothing

Would you care to elaborate as I'm thinking iof getting one myself

From the honest john site about the Honda Jazz

"Can have a manual transmission selector problem. Some cars have needed new manual gearboxes. Manual transmission bearing failures on 3 to 5 year old Jazz well known in 2007 and extremely common by late 2009. Dealers quote £1,400 for a full rebuild. Seems that Honda will repair some (not all) post 2003 cars FOC or provide some goodwill if pressed, but not cars built before 2003 as they say these cars did not have the problem. Even the new 2008 Jazz has a problem. If the transmission becomes noisy Honda is asking owners to leave it to 6,000 miles, then changes the transmission oil.

On early Jazz a clicking noise heard when turning left in 2nd gear may be due to the reverse shift holder ball bearing being contaminated and partially seized, causing the reverse idler gear to not return to neutral. Shifting into 2nd gear causes the reverse idler gear to touch the countershaft reverse gear. This problem has been known by Honda since 2002, and resulted a stronger reverse shift holder being fitted to later models. Repairs to early Jazz may be quoted at around £730."

Link here

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/honda/jazz-2001/?section=bad

It is a well known problem;)

art_for_arts_sake

It's important to remember even the most reliable cars can let you down at the most inopportune moment. When that happens the support of a main dealer or independent garage depending on the main dealer for parts or easily imported parts is essential. I lost faith in one (supposedly reliable) marque after they closed all the dealerships near to me apart from the most incompetent of them. A good car is easy to get serviced too. I currently drive a Golf but get it serviced by an independent garage, much cheaper than the main dealer.

gabbleRatchet

verityboo wrote: »

From the honest john site about the Honda Jazz

"Can have a manual transmission selector problem. Some cars have needed new manual gearboxes. Manual transmission bearing failures on 3 to 5 year old Jazz well known in 2007 and extremely common by late 2009. Dealers quote £1,400 for a full rebuild. Seems that Honda will repair some (not all) post 2003 cars FOC or provide some goodwill if pressed, but not cars built before 2003 as they say these cars did not have the problem. Even the new 2008 Jazz has a problem. If the transmission becomes noisy Honda is asking owners to leave it to 6,000 miles, then changes the transmission oil.

On early Jazz a clicking noise heard when turning left in 2nd gear may be due to the reverse shift holder ball bearing being contaminated and partially seized, causing the reverse idler gear to not return to neutral. Shifting into 2nd gear causes the reverse idler gear to touch the countershaft reverse gear. This problem has been known by Honda since 2002, and resulted a stronger reverse shift holder being fitted to later models. Repairs to early Jazz may be quoted at around £730."

Link here

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/honda/jazz-2001/?section=bad

It is a well known problem;)

I didn't recommend a Jazz !!!!!!

verityboo

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

caution should be headed with civics and accords and jazz, the layshaft bearings in the gearbox's can pose real expensive problems and seem to most common problem.

gabbleRatchet wrote: »

Really? A quick Google reveals...................nothing

Would you care to elaborate as I'm thinking iof getting one myself

gabbleRatchet wrote: »

I didn't recommend a Jazz !!!!!!

But you questioned the comments about them:mad:

The 1.4 jazz and civic share a lot of parts

gabbleRatchet

verityboo wrote: »

But you questioned the comments about them:mad:

The 1.4 jazz and civic share a lot of parts

I've edited the post for clarity. Now buzz off and bother someone else

verityboo

gabbleRatchet wrote: »

I've edited the post for clarity. Now buzz off and bother someone else

As you seem tio be a paid up member of the 'Honda can do no wrong appreciation society', I think I will :rotfl:

wba31

Ive had 2 hondas (accord and 2004 civic), done around 60k miles in 3 years in them and only replaced brakes and tyres

gabbleRatchet

verityboo wrote: »

As you seem tio be a paid up member of the 'Honda can do no wrong appreciation society', I think I will :rotfl:

Excellent

So..back to the OP. It may be useful for you to decide which class of car would be most suited to you needs.

Super mini, small/medium, large, hatch or saloon, petrol or Diesel, all have their pros and cons.

The Golf, Focus and Civic are all good choices, even that unreliable old clunker the Honda Jazz has a few fans.

If you can be a bit more specific about your needs it'll be easier for people to make suggestions, although for those who are so inclined it's possible to criticise any choice