Speeding Ticket

Bille

Hi,
wonder if anyone can help.

Had my first speeding ticket in 30 years last week. Didn't think was over, but they claim I was doing 47 mph in a 40 zone.

Before sending it back admitting guilt I wondered if anyone could clarify the following:

Is there no tolerance for measuring mistakes?

3 points and £ 60.00 for being 7 over in a 40 zone appears somewhat excessive?

Seem to recall there is a caveat about the lack of speed camera warning signs can throw out a ticket.

Thanks your help is appreciated.

Bille

atrixblue.-MFR-.

the question is do you really want to argue it in court, being that you could end up in a worse off situation, court fee's based on earnings aswell.

if the evidence is irrefutable then dont despute it.

DUTR

Bille wrote: »

Hi,
wonder if anyone can help.

Had my first speeding ticket in 30 years last week. Didn't think was over, but they claim I was doing 47 mph in a 40 zone.

Before sending it back admitting guilt I wondered if anyone could clarify the following:

Is there no tolerance for measuring mistakes?

3 points and £ 60.00 for being 7 over in a 40 zone appears somewhat excessive?

Seem to recall there is a caveat about the lack of speed camera warning signs can throw out a ticket.

Thanks your help is appreciated.

Bille

Yes there is tolerance, it's called a fine and penalty points,

sarahg1969

OP, get on to the forums on https://www.pepipoo.com, and someone will take a look at the ticket for you.

Nearly_Old

AS above you could post on pepipoo or at least read some of the threads on there.

Is there no tolerance for measuring mistakes?

The ACPO guidelines (Not rules) are that the measured speed should exceed the limit by 10% +2mph before prosecution is considered. So you could feel really hard done by as at 46 you might just have got away with it.

My wife had 2 for 36 in a 30 and was not best pleased that 1mph less might have been enough!

Seem to recall there is a caveat about the lack of speed camera warning signs can throw out a ticket.

They did change the "recommended" sign used prior to a fixed camera site last year so it shows the camera sysmbol and the speed limit but it isn't a legal requirement. There are no legal signing requirements for mobile speed cameras.

kingstreet

Where did this alleged offence take place? Was it in Scotland?

In England, an alleged 47 in a 40 would normally be resolved with the offer of a speed awareness course costing around £100, but with no points attached.

Post full details here for further help;-

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=5

fred7777

Bille wrote: »

Is there no tolerance for measuring mistakes?

Depends what you mean by tolerance:

Your speedometer is toleranced to read up to 10% higher than actual speed so when you were caught it could have been showing over 50mph.

There is very little measuring inaccuracy or tolerance in properly used and set up speed cameras, certainly not as much as 7mph.

Police where I live have a very public Zero Tolerance policy on motoring.

Bille wrote: »

3 points and £ 60.00 for being 7 over in a 40 zone appears somewhat excessive?

Well 47 in a 40 zone is almost 20% over the limit and represents in increase in the energy of an impact of almost 40%.

I'm sure it used to be 3 points, £60 plus a "victim surcharge" or £75 no points and a speed awareness course.

TadleyBaggie

Nearly_Old wrote: »

My wife had 2 for 36 in a 30 and was not best pleased that 1mph less might have been enough!

There have been recent reports that Warwickshire have started to enforce 31 in a 30...

fivetide

TadleyBaggie wrote: »

There have been recent reports that Warwickshire have started to enforce 31 in a 30...

I guess it is an absolute offence really, the lmit its 30 so technically 31 is speeding. I'm sure they'd be hard pressed to prove their equipment is that accurate. I thought that was the point of the ACPO guidelines - giving a margin of error but no room to be called for inaccuracy?

I'd certainly want to challenge it!

5t.

brat

TadleyBaggie wrote: »

There have been recent reports that Warwickshire have started to enforce 31 in a 30...

That's man int' pub gossip. They may however enforce at 10% above ie 33mph in a 30, 44mph in a 40, with a speed awareness course being the preferred disposal option at that speed.

Notmyrealname

Bille wrote: »

Hi,
wonder if anyone can help.

Had my first speeding ticket in 30 years last week. Didn't think was over, but they claim I was doing 47 mph in a 40 zone.

Before sending it back admitting guilt I wondered if anyone could clarify the following:

Is there no tolerance for measuring mistakes?

Legally no although the ACPO guidelines are 10%+2MPH which you still exceeded.

3 points and £ 60.00 for being 7 over in a 40 zone appears somewhat excessive?

Your speedo was most likely reading 50MPH so as far as you're concerned, the indicated speed was 25% over.

Seem to recall there is a caveat about the lack of speed camera warning signs can throw out a ticket.

You recall wrong. There is no legal requirement to put up signs. All that happens is that for those with signs the local road safety partnership keep the fine money.