Why you should not feed your dog Bakers

Dollardog

Taken from K9 magazine

Why you SHOULD NOT FEED YOUR DOG BAKERS -

E320 - has been found to be tumour -producing when fed to rats. In human studies it has been linked with urticaria, angioedema and asthma.
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E321 - BANNED for use in food in Japan, Romania, Sweden, and Australia. The US has BANNED it from being used in infant foods. So bad McNasty's have voluntarily eliminated it from their products.

E310 - BANNED from children's foods in the US because it is thought to cause the blood disorder methemoglobinemia

E172 - BANNED in Germany
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E132 - Can cause skin sensitivity, a rash similar to nettle rash, itching, nausea, high blood pressure and breathing problems. One of the colours that the Hyperactive Children's Support Group recommends be eliminated from the diet of children. PROHIBITED in Norway.
E102 - TARTRAZINE -A trial on 76 children diagnosed as hyperactive, showed that tartrazine provoked abnormal behaviour patterns in 79% of them E110 - Sunset Yellow (E110) has been found to damage kidneys and adrenals when fed to laboratory rats. It has also been found to be carcinogenic when fed to animals
E104 - One of the colours that the Hyperactive Children's Support Group recommends be eliminated from the diet of children.BANNED in Australia, Japan, Norway and the United States.
E171 - BANNED in Germany
E153 -BANNED as a food additive in the United States of America. Suspected as a carcinogenic agent.

And which food contains all these? Bakers Complete
Please share, this IS NOT Widely known knowledge and people need to become aware.

torbrex

How many humans do you know that eat food specifically produced for dogs?

Almost every 'BANNED' that you have listed is for when using these additives in food produced for human consumption and no comparison is given about quantities contained.

tango

torbrex wrote: »

How many humans do you know that eat food specifically produced for dogs?

Almost every 'BANNED' that you have listed is for when using these additives in food produced for human consumption and no comparison is given about quantities contained.

Point taken - but surely there is no need for all these E numbers in dog food. We are adding rubbish to dog food and dogs in the wild would not need or benefit from them.

torbrex

tango wrote: »

Point taken - but surely there is no need for all these E numbers in dog food. We are adding rubbish to dog food and dogs in the wild would not need or benefit from them.

I agree that there is no need for all the E numbers but you can't compare the lives of wild dogs with pampered pooches.

There are over 50 million pet dogs in the world and how many wild dogs? If only humans were as caring about wild dogs/animals as they are about their pets.

Additives in pet food play a vital role in the lives of all pets so that they will look and behave the way their owners want them to and also keep them alive long past their natural life span in accordance with their owners desires.

tango

torbrex wrote: »

I agree that there is no need for all the E numbers but you can't compare the lives of wild dogs with pampered pooches.

There are over 50 million pet dogs in the world and how many wild dogs? If only humans were as caring about wild dogs/animals as they are about their pets.

Additives in pet food play a vital role in the lives of all pets so that they will look and behave the way their owners want them to and also keep them alive long past their natural life span in accordance with their owners desires.

How do the additives keep the dogs living longer and how do they make the dog look and behave the way their owners want them to ?

lostinrates

Colourings are for the owners, not the dogs. They make the food look appetising to us.

Similarly, when I buy horse food if there is a 'mix' or a pellet option I go for the pellet....tends to be better balanced for the horse with no emphasis on appearance for us ( and then I turn it into a mash anyway).

E numbers that purely colour are no more the food of a domestic dog than they are a wild dog. Also' the way door is tested as 'safe' and suitable for domestic animals used to be pretty draconian and odd (along the lines of ...if they it that exclusively for six months, do they die) so lab tests in other species does tend to be drawn upon in areas of animal science, though research on a dog might not be applicable to a cow, the rodent tests would certainly be expected to be in the references for research on dogs using the same additives.

Edit.. And weirdly I do have a friend who likes bonio biscuits. Very odd.

Millie2008_2

To make this a valid point, you would need to return to the original studies that investigated the carcinogenicity, etc, etc and validate them. Then you would need to look at the dose ranges of the chemicals used in the studies (many toxcicological studies were originally done using doses way, way higher than would ever be encountered in real life). Then you would need to consider that what is found to be carcinogenic in rodent studies at a certain dose for eg, would cause cancer in dogs at the dose in the above food.

Then there is the case of investigating cases of hyperactivity in children and doing a further dose and species comparison...I could go on and on... (I'm a Dr of Toxicology, in case you were wondering why I jumped on this)

So anyone feeding their dog Bakers, please don't worry. I have never fed it myself, as there are IMO better feed choices, but I wouldn't NOT feed it based on the evidence quoted above...

Take_it_like_a_man,_sonny

Oh dear, we will all be fed by Christmas.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

Yawn. More emotive bullcrap aimed at people who aren't entirely certain that the canine in front of them isn't human.


Yep, it's junk additives designed to make the food look bright and pretty like a fruit salad.

But at the same time, whilst it may not be fantastic in terms of toxicity testing to feed it to rats to the exclusion of everything else, at least they aren't putting real, natural, pure, organic things in the food like -



raw chocolate,
grapes,
avocado,
cherries,
elderberries,
hibiscus,
juniper berries,
kale,
onion,
or raisins -



- ALL of which can be fed to a child quite happily without exterminating them.

art_for_arts_sake

I was asking on MSE about Bakers back in August. I'd read articles elsewhere critical of Bakers. None of them mentioned food colouring, but emphasised its "junky" nature, which was backed up by others' opinions on here back then. I do seriously wonder how much of the criticism of Bakers is because of anti-Nestle sentiment.

My dog's not been a fan of dry dog food or biscuits for a while now so her intake is much reduced, but obviously any ingredient that isn't needed for nutritional purposes would be better left out.

pulliptears

From my own experience with Bob, he was on Bakers for a few years and during that time had constant runny ears and ear infections.

From the moment he was changed to Arden Grange he's never had a problem since. I don't like Bakers at all for that reason.