Red Eds Speech and the word Deficit

Pete111

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

I am not saying there is any miracle policy for growth, but neither is there a miracle policy for cuts. And I am not saying Labour has all the answers - they don't. But the policy of the current administration, based as it is on monetarism, will not succeed in controlling the deficit. And the satements in your second paragraph suggest to me that you are one of those who believes all the nonsense that the conservatives have been preaching since the days of Thatcher.

Amazing how one persons nonsense is anothers common sense eh?

Tell you what. Lets me take Britan (policy of spending restriction, cuts to business taxes and rolling back the state/wefare a tad) and you take France (new policy of high taxes and broadly speaking,sticking with the high state involvement/spend model) and lets give it 2 years or so and come back to this one.

Loughton_Monkey

Pete111 wrote: »

Amazing how one persons nonsense is anothers common sense eh?

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You shouldn't talk about Graham like that. I know it's true but we should be a little bit more polite about it....

FTBFun

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Well, foreign aid is one of those 'feelgood' things that the libertarians in the Tory party love as it makes them look all nice, loving and cuddly. Wasting millions of pounds on propping up a bunch of tin pot dictators is OK when we have a record deficit.

If there's one thing the Tories isn't, it's libertarians.

chewmylegoff

StevieJ wrote: »

What is important is where the electorate cast their actual votes not popularity contests. BTW having said that I do also think his credibility ratings will make a move upwards.

but how do you measure the impact on his credibility as leader of a speech that he gave in conference in a one off by-election which labour would have won anyway. how can you tell that people are voting labour because of ed milliband and not because they dislike the coalition and labour are the only other option? it's not like people normally vote for the party in power in marginal seats in mid-term by elections is it?

it is also surely impossible to work out what % of people voted in the way that they did on the basis of particular factors, especially when they may vote in a certain way for a combination of reasons.

for me the test will be whether ed milliband's personal polling performance falls back in to where it was before in 6 months time. mind you i don't think that matters as unless there is a miracle labour would win the next election unless they do something crazy like promise to kill a load of cute, fluffy kittens.

PaulF81

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

You cannot make detailed plans without knowing all the facts - and only the government knows all the facts. What are the coalition's 'fabulous ideas' then? I don't see any, other than trying to cut as much as they can possibly get away with. The deficit is not the big problem - this is the biggest lie of all - the problem is the faltering economy. With a growing and successful economy, you can service the deficit indefinitely. The key is growth, growth and more growth. The measures taken by the coalition lead inevitably to a contraction of the economy and downward spiral that will lead to a bigger deficit and an economy that is too small to service it. There is nothing wrong with spending if it is used to create jobs and stimulate the economy; the problem is that Blair/Brown wasted too much money on idiotic and unnecessary projects like the NHS IT programme and on lining doctor's pockets with massive pay rises.

you don't pay off the deficit.

Another clown that can't differentiate between debt and deficit.

StevieJ

Conrad wrote: »

I disagree with you on the protectionism as we would lose out, however I would like to see mse British bargain hunters being a little bit more thoughtful in thier purchasing decisions, instead of always going for best value, say on new tyres.

Well my tyres were made in Dundee, is that OK?

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

Well my tyres were made in Dundee, is that OK?

Ok until 2014

Gracchus_Babeuf

PaulF81 wrote: »

you don't pay off the deficit.

Another clown that can't differentiate between debt and deficit.

You are the clown who pretends to be a know-it-all when in reality you are just a d***head who likes the sounds of his own voice.

My point was perfectly clear. Pay off or reduce the point is the same.

Gracchus_Babeuf

Pete111 wrote: »

Amazing how one persons nonsense is anothers common sense eh?

Tell you what. Lets me take Britan (policy of spending restriction, cuts to business taxes and rolling back the state/wefare a tad) and you take France (new policy of high taxes and broadly speaking,sticking with the high state involvement/spend model) and lets give it 2 years or so and come back to this one.

At the moment I would choose France any day of the week.