Red Eds Speech and the word Deficit

angrypirate

Anyone notice in the whole of Red Eds speech yesterday, he failed to even mention the word "Deficit", let alone to put forward ideas on how he would deal with it. Once again, we see labour for who they are - a bunch of fookless !!!!wits with no ideas or solutions, only the ability to borrow money and make the unions happy.

Wookster

Ed Miliband and Ed Balls talking about governance/ tight control over finances is like Fred Goodwin saying he makes a prudent banker.

Graham_Devon

angrypirate wrote: »

Anyone notice in the whole of Red Eds speech yesterday, he failed to even mention the word "Deficit", let alone to put forward ideas on how he would deal with it. Once again, we see labour for who they are - a bunch of fookless !!!!wits with no ideas or solutions, only the ability to borrow money and make the unions happy.

This was bought up on newsnight, and the general concensus appears to be that the speech was aimed at the people in the hall, not at the public at large.

The speech was about him, and where he see's labour.

Policies really didn't need to come into it, and actually, there was a risk that if he did talk policies, he'd lose some support, which is what he was trying to gain.

So the speech worked in the way which it was intended. To get lots of support from those in the hall and pave the way toward him being a suitable leader. He needs that support to go further. The policies in these situations to the people he was talking to are neither here nor there.

We've seen policy from the lib dems, and also you'll most likely see it from the tories, as they don't appear to have a leader who is trying to gain popularity amongst party members.

A few people have now asked labour cabinet members what One Nation actually is, and no one can answer the point, as they were not told. It's just what Milliband see's, and was a crowd pleaser, and that's as far as it goes.

Jennifer_Jane

They are so good at saying what needs to be done (a lot of which, it seems, should have been done in the 13 years they were in power, when they had all the money in the world to spend, spend, spend). I haven't yet heard anything about HOW it's going to be done.

Just rhetoric and no ideas. Their conference would have been a great opportunity to steal a march on the Coalition with real proposals. Actual ideas "When Parliament resumes, we will be asking Parliament to debate such and such". They're not in power, they've got the time to come up with some fabulous ideas.

But do they? Not a whisper....

coastline

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

They are so good at saying what needs to be done (a lot of which, it seems, should have been done in the 13 years they were in power, when they had all the money in the world to spend, spend, spend). I haven't yet heard anything about HOW it's going to be done.

Just rhetoric and no ideas. Their conference would have been a great opportunity to steal a march on the Coalition with real proposals. Actual ideas "When Parliament resumes, we will be asking Parliament to debate such and such". They're not in power, they've got the time to come up with some fabulous ideas.

But do they? Not a whisper....

All the conferences are the same...it won't make any difference to us all...speeches are only heard and remembered by a minority...the rest of us are at work anyway and dont dash home to catch party politics on TV..
Nobodys going to do anything...any party...the world economy has stalled...and thats it..
If by magic there was no budget deficit what do you think Cameron and his mates would do...remember borrowing is out of favour now...but he'd be desperate to borrow some more..;)

StevieJ

coastline wrote: »

All the conferences are the same...it won't make any difference to us all...speeches are only heard and remembered by a minority...the rest of us are at work anyway and dont dash home to catch party politics on TV..

This one seems to be different as it appears to have been picked up (and applauded) by the mainstream news so will have been brought to the attention of the many, with the general concensus of 'we may have underestimated this guy' Fortunately we have a public test of its effect namely the Corby By-election.

CLAPTON

he's probably learnt from Cameron not to say anything of substance

Cameron probably rejects

-promising to match Labours spending plans; not may have been a good idea even at the time
-but being able to cut taxes due the higher tory growth plans; events haven't worked out favourably
-was to achieve those higher growth by scrapping red tape; so far introduced new equality laws, extended contract workers conditions of employment, new pension rules etc and I can't recall any actual red tape being scrapped yet
-of course scrapping the red tape about banking isn't talked about anymore either
-even the promise of no 3rd runway at Heathrow doesn't seem so clever now
-and the greenest government ever and hugging polar bears is mentioned less too


on balance Ed is best to say nothing about policies until nearer the election

chewmylegoff

StevieJ wrote: »

This one seems to be different as it appears to have been picked up (and applauded) by the mainstream news so will have been brought to the attention of the many, with the general concensus of 'we may have underestimated this guy' Fortunately we have a public test of its effect namely the Corby By-election.

how can you measure the impact of milliband's speech by looking at a by-election? given that it's a marginal constituency, it's mid-term, the govt is very unpopular, and labour were well ahead in the polls already, i don't think there's any way you can look at the result (a foregone conclusion to be a labour win) and proclaim that it shows the general public think milliband is now a plausible PM.

surely looking at his popularity rating in upcoming polls would be a bit more effective?

StevieJ

chewmylegoff wrote: »

how can you measure the impact of milliband's speech by looking at a by-election? given that it's a marginal constituency, it's mid-term, the govt is very unpopular, and labour were well ahead in the polls already, i don't think there's any way you can look at the result (a foregone conclusion to be a labour win) and proclaim that it shows the general public think milliband is now a plausible PM.

surely looking at his popularity rating in upcoming polls would be a bit more effective?

What is important is where the electorate cast their actual votes not popularity contests. BTW having said that I do also think his credibility ratings will make a move upwards.

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

What is important is where the electorate cast their actual votes not popularity contests.

So few bother now that no-one really has a clear mandate.

Political parties as we know them are past their sell by date.

Time for fresh ideas.

moneyinmypocket

If it boosts house prices I don't care