Red Eds Speech and the word Deficit

StevieJ

chewmylegoff wrote: »

surely looking at his popularity rating in upcoming polls would be a bit more effective?

Have it your way but I still expect this to be reflected in the by-election.

Today’s survey results show a growing number of people think the Labour leader is more statesmanlike.
However, it does show Mr Miliband still has more work to do to convince voters he is ready for No10.
The poll shows the number of people who view him as “statesmanlike” has leapt from 18% to 34% as a result of his barn-storming address to the party faithful in Manchester on Tuesday.
And nearly 30% said they were more likely to vote for Labour after the leader took to the stage.

A pre-conference survey commissioned by the Tories found 73% did not think Mr Miliband had what it took to be Prime Minister.
But the new poll shows this has shrunk to 34% thanks to his strong speech.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-opinion-poll-labour-1359120

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

What is important is where the electorate cast their actual votes not popularity contests. BTW having said that I do also think his credibility ratings will make a move upwards.

Made no difference according to the guardian.

Labour have responded to a poll which hasn't changed, saying other news events meant Ed Millibands speech may not have been heard.

Asking Mirror readers.....the mirror being the paper of labour what they think will always show the results they wanted.

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Made no difference according to the guardian.

Labour have responded to a poll which hasn't changed, saying other news events meant Ed Millibands speech may not have been heard.

Asking Mirror readers.....the mirror being the paper of labour what they think will always show the results they wanted.

Did you miss this?

A pre-conference survey commissioned by the Tories found 73% did not think Mr Miliband had what it took to be Prime Minister.
But the new poll shows this has shrunk to 34% thanks to his strong speech.

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Made no difference according to the guardian.

Labour have responded to a poll which hasn't changed, saying other news events meant Ed Millibands speech may not have been heard.

Asking Mirror readers.....the mirror being the paper of labour what they think will always show the results they wanted.

Strange, from the Guardian

It's the final day of the Labour conference and there is some good news for Ed Miliband as he reads the morning papers.
First, today's YouGov state of the parties poll gives Labour a 14-point lead over the Conservatives. It's the first YouGov poll conducted since Miliband's conference speech and the Labour lead has gone up six points since Wednesday. It's not unusual for Labour's lead to fluctuate like this, and it's too early to tell whether Labour will get a permanent boost, but it's a step in the right direction.
Second, as the Sun reports, the YouGov figures also show that the proportion of voters seeing Miliband has a strong leader has gone up.
And, third, Miliband has received a glowing tribute from the Daily Telegraph's Peter Oborne, one of the leading Tory commentators. Here's an extract from Oborne's column.

Loughton_Monkey

It is a characteristic of politicians that they judge themselves 95% on what they say and only 5% on what they do. Those who read any of the biographies of former PM's, Mandelson etc. will understand this.

To turn round this country requires action and not rhetoric. Yes we have a bit of action by Cameron/Osborne but 'too little too late' is probably and understatement. Therein lies a problem because most of the public vote on how well off they feel. Which rather puts the nail into DC's coffin unless he can make the majority feel richer.

angrypirate

Problem is there's a rather annoying group of people called the Lib Dems who are in the way of any real austerity. The current coalition couldnt be anymore "middle of the road wing" if they tried. The public are fed up and want to be able to choose a party who are actually different.

Gracchus_Babeuf

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

They are so good at saying what needs to be done (a lot of which, it seems, should have been done in the 13 years they were in power, when they had all the money in the world to spend, spend, spend). I haven't yet heard anything about HOW it's going to be done.

Just rhetoric and no ideas. Their conference would have been a great opportunity to steal a march on the Coalition with real proposals. Actual ideas "When Parliament resumes, we will be asking Parliament to debate such and such". They're not in power, they've got the time to come up with some fabulous ideas.

But do they? Not a whisper....

You cannot make detailed plans without knowing all the facts - and only the government knows all the facts. What are the coalition's 'fabulous ideas' then? I don't see any, other than trying to cut as much as they can possibly get away with. The deficit is not the big problem - this is the biggest lie of all - the problem is the faltering economy. With a growing and successful economy, you can service the deficit indefinitely. The key is growth, growth and more growth. The measures taken by the coalition lead inevitably to a contraction of the economy and downward spiral that will lead to a bigger deficit and an economy that is too small to service it. There is nothing wrong with spending if it is used to create jobs and stimulate the economy; the problem is that Blair/Brown wasted too much money on idiotic and unnecessary projects like the NHS IT programme and on lining doctor's pockets with massive pay rises.

Pete111

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

You are truly a first class idiot. You make statements without understanding a thing about the consequences of what you suggest.

What good do you think 'real austerity' will do? Nothing is the answer. Piling on misery on ordinary people is not the answer. The answer is getting the economy to grow and create wealth that can then be used to pay off the bl**dy deficit. Austerity will contract the economy and then the national debt will keep rising and rising forever.

Goodness I bet this chap makes friends easily...;)

Tell me my good fellow. Exactly what is this miraculous 'policy for growth' you mention. I only ask as Labour seem to be shy about stating the actual steps involved to acheive this so it would be great to understand the detail

I assume it in no way risks the loss of our excellent credit rating, increases our deficit, alienates our wealth creators or further encourages widespread state dependancy?

Gracchus_Babeuf

Pete111 wrote: »

Goodness I bet this chap makes friends easily...;)

Tell me my good fellow. Exactly what is this miraculous 'policy for growth' you mention. I only ask as Labour seem to be shy about stating the actual steps involved to acheive this so it would be great to understand the detail

I assume it in no way risks the loss of our excellent credit rating, increases our deficit, alienates our wealth creators or further encourages widespread state dependancy?

I am not saying there is any miracle policy for growth, but neither is there a miracle policy for cuts. And I am not saying Labour has all the answers - they don't. But the policy of the current administration, based as it is on monetarism, will not succeed in controlling the deficit. And the satements in your second paragraph suggest to me that you are one of those who believes all the nonsense that the conservatives have been preaching since the days of Thatcher.

angrypirate

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

You are truly a first class idiot. You make statements without understanding a thing about the consequences of what you suggest.

What good do you think 'real austerity' will do? Nothing is the answer. Piling on misery on ordinary people is not the answer. The answer is getting the economy to grow and create wealth that can then be used to pay off the bl**dy deficit. Austerity will contract the economy and then the national debt will keep rising and rising forever.

Please can you avoid using personal insults. Just because we have a difference of opinions doesnt give you or anyone on this forum a right to be rude or abusive. I object to being called a moron or idiot.

And I do understand the consequences. I didnt realise i was dealing with someone who thinks he understands macro economics. You obviously believe that piling on the responsibility of paying back this spiralling debt to future generations is acceptable. You think its acceptable to spend more than you can make, that its ok to have a bigger public sector than private sector. Well, there is no debating this - IT ISNT OK.

I'll also let you into a little secret - the morons who actually started quantitative easing and inflation were the Labour party.