Yet more Evidence that the Coalition is incompetent

Thrugelmir

DervProf wrote: »

Won't that simply make them public sector finance managers ?

In title. Not in mind........

A._Badger

GeneHunt wrote: »

The current coalition government is working flat out to eclipse memories of Gordon Brown's incompetence. It is succeeding to such an extent that only two years after he was a minister in Brown's team, Miliband can, with a straight face, stand on a stage and lecture the Tories on competence...

Which proves nothing other than that successive governments' education policies have succeeded wonderfully... at reducing people's attention spans to those of goldfish.

LauraW10

angrypirate wrote: »

Dont try and use reason and common sense with Laura. Shes a die hard red and has none. The Tories are 100% to blame regardless of the fact the people who made the mistakes are civil servants and would have made them regardless of who was in power. In fact, id put a small bet on the people who have been suspended were probably hired under Labours watch.

Really? You actually think this is all Labour's fault? How old are you? 10?

Tory MP apologises for 'incompetent' Government A Tory MP has apologised to his constituents for the “incompetence at the highest levels of government” in recent months.

The elections were widely seen as a rebuke from voters for a series of failings since the Budget, over issues such as the so-called “granny tax”, the “pasty tax”, the fuel crisis and the return to recession.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9257353/Tory-MP-apologises-for-incompetent-Government.html

And that was in May!!!! Since then we have had the complete mess surrounding the exam system, the revelation that the structural deficit is not improving and the Natioal Debt is getting bigger, the mess with the NHS and the police and now the cherry on top a complete mess with a £5billion rail contract.

One of the great things you can do in your first year or two in government is endlessly pass the buck. When things go wrong you can point your finger at the previous administration and say "it was all their fault". However these opportunities slowly ebb away as time passes. For instance, after 2001 you rarely heard Tony Blair make reference to 17 years of Tory misrule, which had almost become a mantra in his first term in office.

In the second half, governing will get harder. Lib Dems facing electoral annihilation will have to consider early exit from the coalition. Peevish and disappointed at the loss of both electoral and House of Lords reform, they must surely now start to veto the Tories' worst excesses....

nicko33

LauraW10 wrote: »

the revelation that the ....National Debt is getting bigger

What! It's getting bigger!
When did that happen?
I bet nobody had any inkling that was happening

ash28

angrypirate wrote: »

Dont try and use reason and common sense with Laura. Shes a die hard red and has none. The Tories are 100% to blame regardless of the fact the people who made the mistakes are civil servants and would have made them regardless of who was in power. In fact, id put a small bet on the people who have been suspended were probably hired under Labours watch.

Perhaps the civil servants would not have made the mistakes if the current process had been more robust and if the current government hadn't reformed the Rail Franchising system in 2010.

The Tories are 100% to blame - ministers and their underlings get paid enough money to ensure that new processes brought in by their departments are fit for purpose. Theresa Villiers and Justine Greening were responsible for pushing the reforms through.

We also need to move away from a system which sees Whitehall specifying highly detailed and prescriptive inputs in franchises. Instead, we want to see a stronger focus on the quality of outcomes for passengers, giving more flexibility to the professionals who run our railways to apply innovation and enterprise in working out the best way to deliver those outcomes. And we need a more qualitative approach to assessment of franchise bids – one which judges the quality of the overall package of proposals they contain to invest in the railways, improve services and grow passenger numbers, rather than focusing solely on the binary question around the level of subsidy or premia to be paid.

This is one of the first things that they haven't blamed the last government for - because they can't.

I wonder if any of the bidders who have not been successful since the reform of the process will either sue or ask for the bid to reconsidered.... it could end up costing a lot more £40m

princeofpounds

the structural deficit is not improving and the Natioal Debt is getting bigger,

If you think that the biggest debt boom in history, accumulated over a decade-plus span of time, can be fixed even in one parliament, you are smoking something. The effects will probably live with us for half a generation, whether it's blue or red in charge.

It is of a size where it may not even be possible to fix it, like running on a treadmill where the speed is set ever so slightly higher than the speed you can run. When you are caught in a debt trap like that, you never have a chance to reduce the deficit even if you were Keynes, Hayek, Friedman and Jesus combined; the economy shrivels as you try to rein in government spending to manageable levels as it has just become too dependent on it.

There are large areas of Britain where government spending is a larger proportion of the economy that in Soviet Russia.

That's quite a legacy.

Most of the current labour team participated or supported those policies. *Especially* the two Eds, who were in Brown's inner circle. So any lectures from them or their supporters about competence or finance will stick in the throat for at least a decade to come.

angrypirate

LauraW10 wrote: »

Really? You actually think this is all Labour's fault? How old are you? 10?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9257353/Tory-MP-apologises-for-incompetent-Government.html

And that was in May!!!! Since then we have had the complete mess surrounding the exam system, the revelation that the structural deficit is not improving and the Natioal Debt is getting bigger, the mess with the NHS and the police and now the cherry on top a complete mess with a £5billion rail contract.

One of the great things you can do in your first year or two in government is endlessly pass the buck. When things go wrong you can point your finger at the previous administration and say "it was all their fault". However these opportunities slowly ebb away as time passes. For instance, after 2001 you rarely heard Tony Blair make reference to 17 years of Tory misrule, which had almost become a mantra in his first term in office.

In the second half, governing will get harder. Lib Dems facing electoral annihilation will have to consider early exit from the coalition. Peevish and disappointed at the loss of both electoral and House of Lords reform, they must surely now start to veto the Tories' worst excesses....

Nice curve ball there Laura. That quote has nothing to do with the rail fiasco which is the topic of conversation here. In fact, that was written back in May.

CLAPTON

princeofpounds wrote: »

If you think that the biggest debt boom in history, accumulated over a decade-plus span of time, can be fixed even in one parliament, you are smoking something. The effects will probably live with us for half a generation, whether it's blue or red in charge.

It is of a size where it may not even be possible to fix it, like running on a treadmill where the speed is set ever so slightly higher than the speed you can run. When you are caught in a debt trap like that, you never have a chance to reduce the deficit even if you were Keynes, Hayek, Friedman and Jesus combined; the economy shrivels as you try to rein in government spending to manageable levels as it has just become too dependent on it.

There are large areas of Britain where government spending is a larger proportion of the economy that in Soviet Russia.

That's quite a legacy.

Most of the current labour team participated or supported those policies. *Especially* the two Eds, who were in Brown's inner circle. So any lectures from them or their supporters about competence or finance will stick in the throat for at least a decade to come.

why not post up a graph of national debt as a proportion of GDP over the last 100 years to better illustrate your point.


you might also like to 'discuss' the fact that the current lot of conservatives were so worried about the national debt whilst in opposition that they promised to match labour spending plans.

Gracchus_Babeuf

angrypirate wrote: »

Dont try and use reason and common sense with Laura. Shes a die hard red and has none. The Tories are 100% to blame regardless of the fact the people who made the mistakes are civil servants and would have made them regardless of who was in power. In fact, id put a small bet on the people who have been suspended were probably hired under Labours watch.

Oh yes, blame civil servants, the perennial scapegoats.....:rotfl:

headcone

princeofpounds wrote: »

If you think that the biggest debt boom in history, accumulated over a decade-plus span of time, can be fixed even in one parliament, you are smoking something. The effects will probably live with us for half a generation, whether it's blue or red in charge.

It is of a size where it may not even be possible to fix it, like running on a treadmill where the speed is set ever so slightly higher than the speed you can run. When you are caught in a debt trap like that, you never have a chance to reduce the deficit even if you were Keynes, Hayek, Friedman and Jesus combined; the economy shrivels as you try to rein in government spending to manageable levels as it has just become too dependent on it.

There are large areas of Britain where government spending is a larger proportion of the economy that in Soviet Russia.

That's quite a legacy.

Most of the current labour team participated or supported those policies. *Especially* the two Eds, who were in Brown's inner circle. So any lectures from them or their supporters about competence or finance will stick in the throat for at least a decade to come.

What an eloquent requiem for the complete failure of capitalism.

Thank you.