Good DELL deal on PC with 22" Monitor + @£479.

perc

Anyone know:

How big these cases are?
How noisey are they?
Is it 32 or 64 bit Vista?

map200uk

core 2 is 64bit i believe

as tio the 1gig memory issue re vista

1gig is not sufficient to run vista, it will run, but then it will run at the lowest settings. Meaning you may aswell have stayed with Windows XP, or perhaps gone to the lovely world of OSS at last?

map

map200uk

does anyone have any info on the dell offers for laptops this w/e?

ta

Dalkirst

So if you upgrade it to a 2gb memory this will run perfectly well on Vista it's just the 1gb?

biglugs

1gig is not sufficient to run vista, it will run, but then it will run at the lowest settings. Meaning you may aswell have stayed with Windows XP, or perhaps gone to the lovely world of OSS at last?

Probably doesn't help that the graphics card on this is a 256MB 7300 Turbocache - i.e. it doesn't have its own memory, it simply uses 256MB of your PC memory, meaning you only have 750MB of memory to run all your other apps in.

map200uk

exactly, another issue on this -was on theregister i think (could have been slashdot) about how companies such as Dell were selling 'vista ready' PC's before vista RTM-and as such when vista came out the PC's are only capable of running vista in low settings

unless you have a good processor/gfx/amount of ram running vista with all the new settings on will be a chore

just stick to xp for now:)

map

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gary892 wrote: »

:rotfl: It's the new windows interface. Microsoft explain it here.

Yes thanks, I did know that, what Microsoft don't tell people is that it has inherent problems and is resource hungry, I will stick with my choccy bar.;)

andreboyle

I have to say that the whole 'issue' of Vista and 1GB of memory is bunkem.

I would like to know if many of the people saying it won't work properly have experience of this or if they are simply quoting from reviews. It looks to me as though there's much rumour pushng about.

I have been involved with Vista from early Beta through to final release. 1 GB of memory is fine for Vista. It'll not rock your world with it for all apps but it'll run fine. I've run it with many games on this as well and it works just dandy, but then I've got a proper graphics card instead of an on board one which always creates a performance bottleneck.

Aero is a decent interface but is obviously going to take more resources than a straight 2D interface. However, it's MORE about your graphics cards than your system memory.

I'd suggest trying it with 1 GB for your particular scenario. If it's somehow slow or laggy (Which I'd be surprised by for most people) then buy a 1GB upgrade from somewhere like crucual.co.uk as the dell 1 GB upgrades tend to be expensive anyway.

By the way, I've read just about all of the reviews that I have seen as I'm prepping for large scale rollouts in the not too distant future. What I am talking about is personal experience, and I'm a hard man to please. So this is just my opinion.

bindods

andreboyle wrote: »

Aero is a decent interface but is obviously going to take more resources than a straight 2D interface. However, it's MORE about your graphics cards than your system memory.

I'd suggest trying it with 1 GB for your particular scenario. If it's somehow slow or laggy (Which I'd be surprised by for most people) then buy a 1GB upgrade from somewhere like crucual.co.uk as the dell 1 GB upgrades tend to be expensive anyway.

By the way, I've read just about all of the reviews that I have seen as I'm prepping for large scale rollouts in the not too distant future. What I am talking about is personal experience, and I'm a hard man to please. So this is just my opinion.

so what should be upgraded first if aero is slow, ram or graphics card? how would you rate the graphics card coming with this system for running aero?

andreboyle

I would upgrade the graphics system first of all. The memory supplied is decent, though not spectacular, so I'd suggest that the graphics system is likely to feel the squeeze. Aim for latest direct-x compliance and get as good as you can afford. If you're a gamer the more you put in the more 'wow' (No advertising punds intended there) you'll get back. Bear in mind that once you're in a game the aero interface drops out of the equation and it's all about the game's Direct-X requirements and performance.

Aero is a direct-x (Or presentation layer in Vista's terms [Actually they're not quite one and the same but that's not a conversation for now!!] layer for your normal windows programs. Everything is in effect displayed using 3D acceleration. So this is why a good graphica card is required.

By the way, Aero has some lovely looking features but the standard interface has some excellent additions as well and there are features which site somewhere between depending on your systems capabilities.

As a by the by, my Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop with onboard video and 128MB of memory allocated from a total of 512MB ran vista. It wasn't amazing, but it did run it well enough for my daily needs. I disabled Aero and was very happy with the outcome. If I were to run it for my main OS (I went back to XP for compatibility of some specialist apps.) I would have gone for 1 GB. If I were to do on my laptop what I do on my desktop I would have gone for 2 GB. But that's because the apps I run there would happily use 4 GB of is were available (Development stuff).