Inferred panel heaters

wrightk

not having a go at anyone in particular just saying that we should all be a little more polite to each other, despite our differences of opinions.

i read the thread/s with interest. my personal opinion (not that i have any technical experience) is that i would never touch any kind of electric heater with a barge pole. infrared/halogen/whatever, if i had that sort of money id rather burn 5 pound notes

fishybusiness

Infrared heaters use a different method to generate the heat than say a convector heater, that's why the heat feels different, but they cost no less to run than a £20 heater of equivalent output.

Well, my experience is this...

The convector heats a space quickly, and the heated air moves upwards quickly, so the convector needs running regularly, and in an open space, if you switch it off, the room feels cool quite quickly.

The infrared panel takes much longer to warm a room through - I'd say a couple of days. When it has been warmed through, the background temperature is slightly lower, but the room feels warm, and the temperature is more stable over a longer period of time.

Also, checking the outside wall internal temperatures, using a convector, the wall temperatures are about 3 or 4 degrees lower than the room, using an infrared panel , they are more or less equal.

So, why do they cost no less to run?

fishybusiness

So you need to show some proof(not implied statements in advertising bumph) that infrared heaters produce double the heat output for the same input. Or conversely that 20C can be maintained by infrared heaters using half the heat.

I do believe I have been misquoted by inference.

I didn't say they can produce double the output.

Bear with me Cardew, once the cold weather comes, I will have some data.

So, let us go there again, let me ask your experience and credentials in being able to define the ability of modern infrared panels to heat a room or home at a lower cost than conventional electric heaters.

As you haven't answered, I am guessing the answer is that you haven't any.

is that i would never touch any kind of electric heater with a barge pole. infrared/halogen/whatever, if i had that sort of money id rather burn 5 pound notes

Nor would I unless I had to.

Cardew

fishybusiness wrote: »

Have you Cardew told other people not to bother with infrared panels?

I do believe you have.

Where are your credentials in doing so?

You have none.

I do not believe you have the credentials to tell people not to buy them, and that is my point.


So, let us go there again, let me ask your experience and credentials in being able to define the ability of modern infrared panels to heat a room or home at a lower cost than conventional electric heaters.

Do you really have to resort to this line of posting?

Accuse me of telling people not to buy infrared heaters; and base the rest of your post on that incorrect assumption.

In fact I have many times stated that infrared heaters have their uses, particularly 'beaming heat' toward a person.

I have of course, along with many other posters, debunked claims that they produce more heat than other heaters for the same electrical input.

As for my credentials, well I am a Chartered Electrical Engineer, albeit on the internet I could claim to have any qualification! Many of the other posters that share my views also claim electrical qualifications.

It seems you feel the only credentials that qualify a person to give an opinion is to have purchased Infrared heaters.

Go into the motoring forum and you will find people who swear blind that a magnet costing £20 strapped to the fuel lines of the car(or oil CH pipes) reduces fuel consumption by upwards of 30% - cos it lines up the mollycules(sic). If the line you take is to be followed, nobody should dispute their claim without buying the said magnet and trying it out.

fishybusiness

It seems you feel the only credentials that qualify a person to give an opinion is to have purchased Infrared heaters.

Maybe it does seem that way, but here I am with two panels in my home, there you are telling me I might as well buy an Aldi convector for £20, as you say it will do the same job for the same electricity costs, yet you have never set eyes on a modern panel.

I would respect your view if you had used them, installed them, removed them, sold them, or even said you are not sure about them, and would need some convincing.

Looking around the UK and Europe, infrared panels are not going away, even here on this forum there are competition links to win an infrared panel once in a while - if they were a con, would the forum allow it?