Embarrassing.. But need advice please - How to drive up hill

cyclonebri1

TrickyWicky wrote: »

On the page I linked to? No it doesn't. I copied your quoted text, hit control F (find), pasted it in and my browser could not find that text anywhere. Are you seriously going to try to convince everyone that its on that page even though it isn't? - Do you have some sort of mental disorder? Do you frequently imagine things which are not there?

:rotfl:

As for me doing a hill start, I can assure you that unless you were in the car with me, you are most definitely wrong. I did not do a hill start for my practical test.

Don't recall where I found that other than it was a government site.
I can accept that it my not be possible to find a hill for a hill start but it would be a pretty rare test.

Anyway cut the abuse before I hit the button.

Idiophreak

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Move to Derbyshire, you'll believe it then. And just keep in mind that most towns, or settlements as they were are situated in sheltered hollows. There are 7 main roads out of my nearest town, all lead uphill.

Norfolk, went there once, found an area that was below sea level:eek:, must have driven uphill to get out of it.

I've driven through the lakes and peaks a few times and I lived in Swansea for some time - which has a fair few hills....And you know what? I'm sticking with my estimate. If you take a "significant" hill to mean one that causes you, say, to change down gear...you're saying that you're either changing down gear to climb better, or changing down gear to utilise engine braking FIFTY percent of the time? Nah. 99% of the time you can stick your car on cruise control and off you go. No need to even think about the "hills" you may come across. The only hills that slow you down are little residential streets on hills at the start/end of journeys, or ridiculous roads that you drive for fun - like Hardknott Pass et al. It's perfectly understandable that, living somewhere flat, OP hasn't had a lot of exposure to driving on significant hills.

TrickyWicky

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Don't recall where I found that other than it was a government site.

Convenient.

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

I can accept that it my not be possible to find a hill for a hill start but it would be a pretty rare test.

You can accept it yet you couldn't yesterday? Rare test for no hill start in an area with no hills?

Again, you didn't understand the point I made yesterday did you. They can only test you on what is in the local area. You failed to grasp that and tried to make me look stupid.

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Anyway cut the abuse before I hit the button.

What abuse? - You are the one who chimed in slating me remember. Again you're trying to flip this after YOU called ME an 'escapiee'.

You might do well to remember that you were the one slating the op for getting through a driving test and I was the one politely reminding you that the op was asking for help not a slating. YOU took offence at that and decided to try and make me look an idiot.

mikey72

TrickyWicky wrote: »

On the page I linked to? No it doesn't. I copied your quoted text, hit control F (find), pasted it in and my browser could not find that text anywhere. Are you seriously going to try to convince everyone that its on that page even though it isn't? - Do you have some sort of mental disorder? Do you frequently imagine things which are not there?

:rotfl:

As for me doing a hill start, I can assure you that unless you were in the car with me, you are most definitely wrong. I did not do a hill start for my practical test.

Google links to it.

http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/Hill_Start.html

not government, but useful advice.

TrickyWicky

drivingschoolireland.com

Wrong side of the puddle mate Different rules there just like there are between England and Scotland.

pinkteapot

OP - I understand how you feel as I also learned and always drove in a very flat area.... Then I went to the Lake District and drove over Kirkstone Pass.

Now I've been back there several times and am an expert hill driver.

My advice would be to get in the habit of changing up based on revs rather than speed. If, like me, you were taught to change into 3rd at 20mph, 4th at 30mph, etc, you need to refocus on the rev counter instead of the speedo. Or on engine sound if you don't have a rev counter.

The number of revs you should change up at (and the lower limit that you shouldn't let it drop below) will vary depending on make/model. In my old petrol Astra, it was something like change up at about 2,500-3,000 revs (IIRC), and never let it drop below 1,500 (or it would sound like it was struggling). Now we tend to go in our diesel which is very different.

The speed you'll be doing on a steep hill to hit those revs will be completely different to when you're on the flat. Hence changing based on revs rather than speed.

mikey72

TrickyWicky wrote: »

drivingschoolireland.com

Wrong side of the puddle mate Different rules there just like there are between England and Scotland.

Hills still go up and down in all three.
Advice is still good.

cyclonebri1

TrickyWicky wrote: »

drivingschoolireland.com

Wrong side of the puddle mate Different rules there just like there are between England and Scotland.

Ok stick this 1 up your trumpet and feel free to apologise of course

From the;
Driving Standards Agency, and UK this time, entitled Safe and Responsible Driving.

I have to add that given your severely limited abilities to find fact and accept it, I don't expect a reply.

Quote;

Role 2 Guide and control the vehicle
Unit 2.1 Start, move off, stop and leave the vehicle safely and responsibly
Element 2.1.2 Move off safely and smoothly
Performance Standards You must be able to 1. carry out all-round visual checks, including blind spots, to make sure that it is safe to move-off 2. signal your intention to move off to other road users, where needed 3. move off straight-ahead, on the level and on gradients, safely and smoothly, keeping control of the vehicle at all times 4. move off at an angle from behind a parked vehicle or obstruction, safely and smoothly, keeping control of the vehicle at all times 5. check that controls are operating correctly 6. restart quickly and safely if the vehicle stalls
Knowledge & Understanding Requirements You must know and understand 1. the importance of carrying out all-round, effective observation of the road and other road users before moving off 2. the importance and location of blind spots and how to carry out blind spot checks before moving away 3. the importance of using a safe, systematic routine to help you to move off safely and smoothly 4. the importance of applying the footbrake before selecting drive on an automatic vehicle 5. where applicable, the relevance of the ‘biting point’, that is the point at which the clutch plate and the flywheel come into firm contact and start to transmit drive
6. the operation of the parking brake release mechanism 7. the limitations of hill assist systems, where fitted 8. the effects of ‘dry steering’, that is turning the wheels when the vehicle is not moving, on tyres etc. 9. how to check controls, such as steering and brakes, are operating correctly
Driving Standard (Category 14 of 37 dft.gov.uk/dsa/standards

cyclonebri1

TrickyWicky wrote: »

You failed to grasp that and tried to make me look stupid.

It wasn't difficult

TrickyWicky

mikey72 wrote: »

Hills still go up and down in all three.
Advice is still good.

I don't doubt that mate, I was just saying that the driving test may be different