Whose fault was this one?

Norman_Castle

You don't know that he failed to check the lane he was crossing.

Everyone knows he failed to check the lane he was crossing.

almillar

I'm not going to defend the m/cyclist's speed, it was a bit fast IMO. But surely the simple fact is that the Passat should have been edging out EXPECTING a bike OR a car to be driving down there at anything up to 30mph.

Lum

Why? That section of road is one lane in each direction, and the lane to the Passat's right was stopped.

Jamie_Carter

Lum wrote: »

At the time of the collision the car driver had only pulled across one lane... a lane of stationary cars!

If he had, then the motorcyclist wouldn't have hit him.

Jamie_Carter

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I'm a reasonable person. I don't accept what he has done is reasonable.

Well Brat obviously thinks it is reasonable to pull out in front of motorcyclists without looking.

Jamie_Carter

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Everyone knows he failed to check the lane he was crossing.

If he didn't, then he must have deliberately taken out the motorcyclist.

Jamie_Carter

almillar wrote: »

I'm not going to defend the m/cyclist's speed, it was a bit fast IMO. But surely the simple fact is that the Passat should have been edging out EXPECTING a bike OR a car to be driving down there at anything up to 30mph.

Exactly. And if he had done, then there would have been no collision.

Jamie_Carter

Lum wrote: »

Why? That section of road is one lane in each direction, and the lane to the Passat's right was stopped.

Motorcyclists, cyclists, pedestrians, emergency vehicles, or just cars filtering into that lane to turn right at the roundabout.

Lum

Is it really reasonable to expect someone to create a second lane where none actually exists?

It's fine to do that if you can get away with it, but the onus is on you to ensure your own safety as per the many HC rules and court cases that have been posted in previous pages.

If this collision had happened after the point where this road officially becomes two lanes in that direction then I would, of course, place 100% of the blame on the Passat driver. But it did not, it happened in the one lane section.

Jamie_Carter

Lum wrote: »

Is it really reasonable to expect someone to create a second lane where none actually exists?

It's fine to do that if you can get away with it, but the onus is on you to ensure your own safety as per the many HC rules and court cases that have been posted in previous pages.

If this collision had happened after the point where this road officially becomes two lanes in that direction then I would, of course, place 100% of the blame on the Passat driver. But it did not, it happened in the one lane section.

It is quite legal for two vehicles to drive side by side as long as there is room to do so. In this case there was plenty of room to do so.

The onus is not on the motorcyclist, it is on the car pulling out to take due care and attention for other road users....he didn't!