Whose fault was this one?

Lum

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Now you are really showing that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The motorcyclist had the right of way. It is up to the car driver pulling across both lanes to make sure that both lanes are clear before pulling out. If they are unsure, then they don't pull out, it's as simple as that.

At the time of the collision the car driver had only pulled across one lane... a lane of stationary cars!

Norman_Castle

if a reasonable person takes the relevant look at the relevant point in the manoeuvre and judges that he has enough time and space to make the manoeuvre taking into account the hazard from filtering bikers, he has done what most people would accept is reasonable.

I'm a reasonable person. I don't accept what he has done is reasonable.

Norman_Castle

You don't know that he failed to check the lane he was crossing.

Everyone knows he failed to check the lane he was crossing.

almillar

I'm not going to defend the m/cyclist's speed, it was a bit fast IMO. But surely the simple fact is that the Passat should have been edging out EXPECTING a bike OR a car to be driving down there at anything up to 30mph.

Lum

Why? That section of road is one lane in each direction, and the lane to the Passat's right was stopped.

Jamie_Carter

Lum wrote: »

At the time of the collision the car driver had only pulled across one lane... a lane of stationary cars!

If he had, then the motorcyclist wouldn't have hit him.

Jamie_Carter

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I'm a reasonable person. I don't accept what he has done is reasonable.

Well Brat obviously thinks it is reasonable to pull out in front of motorcyclists without looking.

Jamie_Carter

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Everyone knows he failed to check the lane he was crossing.

If he didn't, then he must have deliberately taken out the motorcyclist.

Jamie_Carter

almillar wrote: »

I'm not going to defend the m/cyclist's speed, it was a bit fast IMO. But surely the simple fact is that the Passat should have been edging out EXPECTING a bike OR a car to be driving down there at anything up to 30mph.

Exactly. And if he had done, then there would have been no collision.

Jamie_Carter

Lum wrote: »

Why? That section of road is one lane in each direction, and the lane to the Passat's right was stopped.

Motorcyclists, cyclists, pedestrians, emergency vehicles, or just cars filtering into that lane to turn right at the roundabout.