Anyone do Arbonne?

lovewealthhappiness

billsavings wrote: »

To earn income from Arbonne you have to be an independent distributor
and they will be taxed in the UK as a self-employed individual on their worldwide income from Arbonne.

Yes, but their "business" is being a self employed sales person, NOT Arbonne - that is someone else's business (and I'd say they're earning a heck of a lot more than the self employed sales people).

PlutoinCapricorn

I didn't really expect that anyone would come along and provide the figures and information that I asked for, but I suggest that potential distributors ask, in addition to all that, what the dropout rate is and how long new distributors commonly last before giving up.

billsavings

lovewealthhappiness wrote: »

Yes, but their "business" is being a self employed sales person, NOT Arbonne - that is someone else's business (and I'd say they're earning a heck of a lot more than the self employed sales people).

All i was pointing out was HMRC treat them as self employed business owners.

But bear in mind they do have contracts with Arbonne.They can recruit for Arbonne. Arbonne pay them. Arbonne give them incentives.They sell Arbonne products.

Whilst some earn peanuts others earn phone numbers.:eek:

billsavings

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

I didn't really expect that anyone would come along and provide the figures and information that I asked for, but I suggest that potential distributors ask, in addition to all that, what the dropout rate is and how long new distributors commonly last before giving up.

Just found some UK figures here https://www.arbonneinternational.co.uk/company/info/iccs.asp

gb12345

billsavings wrote: »

Just found some UK figures here https://www.arbonneinternational.co.uk/company/info/iccs.asp

Here is my take on the figures -

There were 2328 Active Consultants of those only 31.8% earned any money and only 0.7% earned what I would consider a reasonable amount (you could argue that only 0.1% really earned a reasonable amount).

The average earnings were £781 or £3195 for those that earned overrides and bonuses.

It should also be noted that these figures are not profit - they do not take into account any expenses incurred or tax.

So there we have it Arbonne, a great 'business' opportunity if you want to earn an average of about £3000 (gross) and alienate all your friends and family.

PlutoinCapricorn

Those figures speak for themselves. It seems that the majority of distributors would be better off selling products for an employer.

As for the own business angle, they may be sole traders but if someone else takes a cut and they are controlled it is not the real thing.

"When you enter a MLM you are NOT starting your own business. You aren't even opening a franchise. You are a re-seller at best. You are using your time, money and energy to sell someone else's product."

gb12345

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

You are using your time, money and energy to sell someone else's product."

And contributing to a number of other people's income above you.

PlutoinCapricorn

The warnings and disclaimers in the compensation summary on Arbonne's own website are very informative: I am guessing that they are required to say such things by law, much as cigarette packets must display health warnings.

They say that there are no guarantees of financial success, and that it is illegal to persuade anyone to make a payment by promising benefits from getting others to join a scheme. They say "do not be misled by claims that high earnings are easily achieved". Direct from the horse's mouth!

I was amused to see the tiny, grey disclaimers at the bottom of the screen on the "Discover Arbonne" page on the UK website.

I suppose that they must use hype to sign people up and get their money before they have had a chance to use Google and look at the website.

I hope that all this will persuade people who were thinking of joining that there is a big chance that they will lose their money.

jukes_2

Just want to add what I have learnt about Arbonne since becoming a consultant 6 mths ago.
I am from the UK but live in the USA, I started with Arbonne USA
I started with just £30. My 'upline' loaned me any products needed to get started. With my first months commission and various ways to get products free from Arbonne, I got all that is needed for the business. The support is great and have made some nice friends along the way.
I also earn more money now than I would doing an alternative 9-5 job. I work from home, set my own schedule.
But, I also learnt how in the UK it is different. Typically asking new consultants to invest and spend a few thousand to get started and then encourage others to do that too. For some reason the UK 'successful' consultants seem more selfish and pushy, I met many of them at the recent global training event. I was almost embarrassed to be British.
I am against that, as are my 'upline' ( who are all highly successful). It is not necessary, and doesn't build sustainable businesses. We start slow, build up a real solid businesses, don't set people up to fail or to lose money.
We are now growing a small team in the UK, using our method, not asking for thousands and not setting people up to fail. The support you receive is critical to the success too. We invest lots of time to really help people succeed.
So, I can see where all the bad press comes from, but it doesn't have to be that way.
Thank you.

J_pink

Dude, I wouldn't even go there.