Limescale!

Ben84

southcoastrgi wrote: »

so as a chemist i'd be interested for your info on how they work then & why all of them use magnets or a magnetic field ?

I don't think they do work. As I have hard water I was interested by the idea, so I did look in to them. I didn't find anything that looked like a decent laboratory test showing them to have any effect and after some searching started to suspect I wasn't going to. I did however find some tests from Universities and such who concluded no difference in the chemical composition of the water (I didn't expect there would be, so that wasn't a worry). However, most crucially to their claims, they also found no significant difference in scale formation.

Ben84

bajangal wrote: »

Are you not a pharmacist who work in a chemist.

I'm a chemist who works in a lab. I study molecular structures and atoms. Sometimes they're drug molecules, but that's about the only link to medicine. Other times they're plastics or natural molecules of interest.

southcoastrgi

http://www.salamander-engineering.co.uk/technicalcentre/hardwater3.html

Sooetie

I bought a small plastic thing - obviously has someting inside it - From Kleeneze a few years ago. You put it in the toilet cistern tank and It will say you stop getting the limescale marks down the back of the loo and round the water line. I have no idea how it works but it does. Said it does 3.000 flushes but it's still going well after 2 years so for about £4 I think it's great

Having looked it up it says 50k flushes I can't post a link but look for In-Cistern Toilet Cleaner

Ben84

southcoastrgi wrote: »

http://www.salamander-engineering.co.uk/technicalcentre/hardwater3.html

I had a look at this page, plus other parts of the site. The scientific claims about magnets, water and minerals are based on a completely fictional version of chemistry/physics.[FONT=Verdana,New Font Name,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]
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southcoastrgi

as a major manifacturer i'm sure they have done more tests & read more reports than either of us would ever have time to read them & as such i'm sure they aren't allowed to post fictional reports, if you read any boiler MI it states if you live in a hard water area then a scale inhibitor must be fitted are you saying they are all wrong as well ?

olly300

southcoastrgi wrote: »

as a major manifacturer i'm sure they have done more tests & read more reports than either of us would ever have time to read them & as such i'm sure they aren't allowed to post fictional reports, if you read any boiler MI it states if you live in a hard water area then a scale inhibitor must be fitted are you saying they are all wrong as well ?

What do you think people are taught in Chemistry and Physics from A level onwards?

Yes manufacturers do post "fictional" reports or what is commonly know as reports with poor science and get away with it for years.

The magnets aren't going to harm your health and if you think they are working then fine use them.

Skin cream manufacturers particularly of anti-aging creams got away with poor science in their adverts for years until they were finally taken to task. If their adverts had been true all skin creams would only be available on prescription.

southcoastrgi

think what you like it doesn't bother me, but try fitting a new combi in a hard water area & not fitting a scale inhibitor & then try to claim on your warrentee, i'm sure either you or ben with be more than happy to foot the bill

Ben84

southcoastrgi wrote: »

as a major manifacturer i'm sure they have done more tests & read more reports than either of us would ever have time to read them & as such i'm sure they aren't allowed to post fictional reports, if you read any boiler MI it states if you live in a hard water area then a scale inhibitor must be fitted are you saying they are all wrong as well ?

I don't know much about how manufacturers recommend installing boilers or making warranty claims. That's not something I work with or have done before.

However, what I can say is that the scientific claims on the site you linked about their magnetic products are completely invented technobabble, composed of misappropriated terms that have nothing to do with what they're talking about, as well as alleged effects such as temporary electrical charges to the water which have no relation to any established physics ideas. It clearly reads as made up nonsense, in fact some of the worst I've seen.

southcoastrgi

interesting to hear ben & no i'm not being sarcastic