Increasing water flow upstairs

unclebulgaria

I thought the pump was installed correctly but the incoming supply could'nt catch up? Hmm now I'm confused lol.
I knew what you meant with the second pump, the Mains pump could pull and the second single impellar could push as it should.
The whole thing sounds bl**dy daft to me anyway, I'm in a situation now where the builder wants me to install a combi without any water to check the flow and pressure. He says I should trust him! HA
I suppose the OP wont mind what happens so long as she incurs no more costs.

keystone

unclebulgaria wrote: »

I thought the pump was installed correctly but the incoming supply could'nt catch up? Hmm now I'm confused lol.

Pumps on its side rather than vertical and very noisy which, as SC has noted, probably means its full of air so the chances of it pumping anything are well zero really.

I knew what you meant with the second pump, the Mains pump could pull and the second single impellar could push as it should.

No sorry I've misled you then. Lets drop the booster pump for the moment.

My premise is that you install a 50 gallon CWST in the roof as you would have ina coinventional installation. The pump I am talking about goes between the CWST and the combi this turning a gravity feed into a pumped feed of the order that the combi would be looking for if connected to the mains.

I'm in a situation now where the builder wants me to install a combi without any water to check the flow and pressure. He says I should trust him! HA

Are we changing the subject to your builder? I'm not at all convinced the OPs builder is entirely blameless in this as there seems undue haste and enthusiasm to shovel responsibility at the plumber and I've picked that up from things she has written. However, she seems to trust him implicitly.

I suppose the OP wont mind what happens so long as she incurs no more costs.

Well apart from time and grief no you might be right but I think there is another bill heaving itself over the horizon for her whatever she does. Its a question of how big it is.

Cheers

drummer_666

Pump is on its side but it does work, i.e. it ups the flow but only for about 20 seconds then its ran out of water totally for a further 15 or so seconds, so the mains supply can't keep up.

I believe my builder is blameless. He simply asked the plumber to recheck if the mains water was good enough for a combi, once the new pipe was in place. The plumber installed combi before changing the pipe.

macman

Who have you actually contracted with for this work?
Is the plumber a sub-contractor for the builder, or are you contracting him direct? If the former, it's a problem for the builder to solve.

drummer_666

well its all thru the builder and he's sorting it inc payment

same as the electrician, but i'm paying him direct

macman

So you need to have no discussion with the plumber at all-your contract is with your builder and he is totally responsible for any costs arising.
But if you are paying the electrician direct, I would suggest that your contract is most certainly with him-not the builder. The builder is simply acting as an agent or adviser.
You really need to clarify the terms of your contracts when making these kind of arrangements.

espresso

drummer_666 wrote: »

its written against the plumber i had around, and 2 other plumbers who quoted saying that i should have a combi, one by just looking at the flow and one without even looking

More examples of stupid "plumbers" who are supposed to be fully qualified to do this work. It is understandable that householders get very frustrated with these so called professional tradesmen who give such bad advice at the customers expense.

booty40uk wrote: »

Felt for you when i started reading this thread. As a tradesman, i now hope that what ever you end up with, bursts and ruins your house.

Hope that helps

Andy

What a lovely tradesman - not the type wanted on MSE. Hasn't even got the sense to keep his horrible, spiteful, unhelpful thoughts to himself!

drummer_666 wrote: »

Pump is on its side but it does work, i.e. it ups the flow but only for about 20 seconds then its ran out of water totally for a further 15 or so seconds, so the mains supply can't keep up.

I believe my builder is blameless. He simply asked the plumber to recheck if the mains water was good enough for a combi, once the new pipe was in place. The plumber installed combi before changing the pipe.

Yet another example of an illiterate, incompetent, untrustworthy, supposedly fully qualified "plumber" who has invalidated the warranty of the Salmander pump by totally ignoring the simple fitting instructions provided.

Please note that there is no "trade bashing" agenda here, as I have been previously accused of by unclebulgaria - the facts posted speak clearly enough for themselves!

In all professions there are good and bad - "if you want the job doing right get a tradesman in" is only sound advice if you are lucky enough to find a good honest one and this thread alone has shown that there are many out there that the pros on here could not possibly defend as being good and honest.

Unfortunately a certificate and a plastic ID pass with their photo on, does not guarantee that they are either competent or can be trusted.

drummer_666

macman wrote: »

So you need to have no discussion with the plumber at all-your contract is with your builder and he is totally responsible for any costs arising.

well my builder doesn't want a penny until it is all fixed and working 100% properly.

I'm just glad I found a builder I can trust.

He's given me so many tips, loaned me equipment, given me the toilet and shower he took out of his own home and is even fitting me a wet room for cost price. :j

It will be nice when my boiler and water is actually finished tho... 3 weeks late so far (but at least I have hot water plus a sink [and dishwasher] now!)

keystone

drummer_666 wrote: »

well my builder doesn't want a penny until it is all fixed and working 100% properly.

That seems to answer Post Number 28 then. A resounding no by all accounts.

I'm just glad I found a builder I can trust.

For your own protection it is about time you asked him for a statement of account I think even if he doesn't want paying a bean until everything is finished.

He's given me so many tips, loaned me equipment, given me the toilet and shower he took out of his own home and is even fitting me a wet room for cost price.

Sorry and I know you have implicit faith in him but this is ringing serious alarm bells for me. I hope I'm wrong but I do not think for one moment you are going to like the look of the bill at the end.

It will be nice when my boiler and water is actually finished tho... 3 weeks late so far (but at least I have hot water plus a sink [and dishwasher] now!)

So just as a matter of interest what are they doing to fix it?

Cheers

keystone

espresso wrote: »

More examples of stupid "plumbers" who are supposed to be fully qualified to do this work. It is understandable that householders get very frustrated with these so called professional tradesmen who give such bad advice at the customers expense.

Agreed especially when it gives everyone elses a bad name.

What a lovely tradesman - not the type wanted on MSE. Hasn't even got the sense to keep his horrible, spiteful, unhelpful thoughts to himself!

I think the suggestion that OP "knows better than any tradesman" is what got his back up and he wasn't the only one if you read the thread. Not justifying the remark but saying it was understandable at the time. OP has modified the post which offended as it wasn't vactually what she meant but I quoted it in one of mine.

Yet another example of an illiterate, incompetent, untrustworthy, supposedly fully qualified "plumber" who has invalidated the warranty of the Salmander pump by totally ignoring the simple fitting instructions provided.

None of us are in a position to judge whether he is illiterate, incompetant or untrustworthy. The job wasn't done right - yes. The job was done through the builder - yes. The builder is therefore 100% responsible - yes. OP has implicit trust in the builder which means it has to be the plumber. and for the builder its totally convenient to blame the plumber he recommended for it going wrong. Not necessarily so (even for the OP who is taking builders word for it) and nobody knows to be certain so any gum flapping from bystanders here is a waste of energy.

Please note that there is no "trade bashing" agenda here, as I have been previously accused of by unclebulgaria - the facts posted speak clearly enough for themselves!

We only have the OPs version, In the interests of balance we do not have the builders version nor do we have the plumbers version. The only fact we can establish are that the resultant installation is a !!!!-up.

In all professions there are good and bad

Of course.

- "if you want the job doing right get a tradesman in" is only sound advice if you are lucky enough to find a good honest one and this thread alone has shown that there are many out there that the pros on here could not possibly defend as being good and honest.

Is not very objective as you have written it. But if we are resorting to generalisations then there are more cowboy customers than there are cowboy tradesmen.

Unfortunately a certificate and a plastic ID pass with their photo on, does not guarantee that they are either competent or can be trusted.

You are correct.

Cheers