Jsa suspended for 2 weeks

banner188

sniggings wrote: »

it does show though, that we have to feed a murderer or rapist 3 times a day but sanctioning, which is a friendlier way of saying stopping ALL benefits for 2 weeks, is allowed! surely if someone took this to the human rights courts they would win.

Good point. The OP has been dismissed and the system is blaming him and punishing him.
It seems strange though that you can pay in to the system for years and have numerous jobs, make one mistake and get punished so harshly. Yet I know people in their thirties who have never done a days work in their lives and have recieved benefits all the way.

marybelle01

banner188 wrote: »

Good point. The OP has been dismissed and the system is blaming him and punishing him.
It seems strange though that you can pay in to the system for years and have numerous jobs, make one mistake and get punished so harshly. Yet I know people in their thirties who have never done a days work in their lives and have recieved benefits all the way.

I agree - but it isn't the point. You don't pay into the system to get benefits without question. There have to be rules, and the rules are that if you lose your job through your own misconduct, you may be sanctioned. Perhaps there should be no sanctions, and people should be allowed to resign whenever they wish, or commit any misconduct they wish and lose their job through their own fault. But that isn't the case.

In this case the OP has been sanctioned, but not all that much at all, considering what the sanction could have been. A two week sanction now does not explain £6k of debt and homelessness previous to the sanction, and all of this since they started claiming benefits. There are crisis loans and hardship payments. There are food banks and other help available. There are ways of managing and ways of getting help. But without any explanations it's hard to see what to say.

dookar

As said, you can appeal the decision, but be aware that 2 weeks is very, very short for misconduct and a reconsideration/appeal can see that increase as well as decrease

robbie91

marybelle01 wrote: »

The reality here is that you have a series of problems, and getting sanctioned for only two weeks - when the sanction could have been 26 weeks - for losing your employment through misconduct, is actually one of the least of them. It may not feel like that right now, but honestly, but two weeks is really quite lenient.

What is a bigger problem - because it isn't going to go away in two weeks - is having built up £6,000 of debt over four months when you were receiving benefit, and this debt is likely to keep going up. How did you build up so much debt during a period of unemployment? You need to explain this so that people can suggest ways of managing this so that it doesn't get any worse (hopefully).

And how have you ended up homeless? During the period you were receiving benefit you should have been able to claim housing benefit or LHA - and you still qualify for this depsite the JSA sanction. So how have you lost your home in just four months. If we don't understand how this happened, then nobody can tell you what you can do about it.

I'm sorry but working and paying taxes all your life doesn't entitle you to benefits if you get sacked through misconduct, and two weeks sanction doesn't explain £6k of debt and being homeless. So you really need to provide some more information as to how all of this happened if you want people to help you.

The 6 k of debt did not happen in the 4 months of being out of work, I had a loan with the bank & a few old debts (phone contracts,Gym membership) that i was paying off & once i started missing payments the fines & intrest started piling up.
I became homeless as my relationship broke down due to my debts & could not afford to pay rent & all the debt problems were going to my parents address this is how i became homeless.
All i asked for was some advise not some jumped up wannabe jeremy kyle answer !

robbie91

Thanks for your help guys & girls apart from marybelle01 The jeremy kyle wanabe

earthbound_misfit

Hmm not sure you can do much about the sanction - especially considering it's nowhere near as long a sanction as it could be. You might be able to get hardship payments - a reduced rate of JSA. http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/benefits_e/benefits_benefits_in_work_or_looking_for_work_ew/benefits_for_people_looking_for_work.htm#jobseekers_allowance_and_sanctions

You mention you have worked all your life until now - this is a plus for finding employment (no long gaps in work history etc). The jobs market is appalling at the moment so many people are out of work and struggling to find jobs, which is **** but I won't start a rant at the government right now or I'll never stop :mad:
So, it's a case of making the best of bad circumstances. The JSA sanction is the most pressing issue right now, but as you mention there are other problems - ie. debts and being homeless.
Here's the debt page of this website: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/loans/debt-help-plan
and the debt forum where people can help advise you:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76
£6000 in four months does seem an awful lot so I'd recommend getting some advice on that to prevent it getting worse. (Please note I'm not judging you, plenty of people really struggle or get into debt after losing a job.)
Whilst not a financial problem, being homeless can't be helping anything. I presume the council do not consider you 'priority need' so there is not duty to house you? Or are you in a hostel at present? You don't have to answer any of this stuff, just hopefully people can advise better if we know a little about your circumstances.
Some people will have helpful advice, some will mock, but ignore the idiots. I don't think marybelle counts as an idiot though, she was trying to get more info in order to help you. Whatever's happened with your dismissal has happened now, and it's a case of where to go from here.
Good luck with it all...

dandelionclock30

I think as other people have said the CAB is the way to go with the debt issues.
They can negotiate for you and lots of people end up paying £1.00 per month until they are back on their feet again.
How long were you at that employment for? if it was over a year( or is 2 now?) I would be looking at the possibility of a unfair dismissal claim if it was just a straightforward argument and you were not on a final written warning. Unless there was swearing and shouting etc, I think its harsh to dismiss for an argument.

pickpocketlocket

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

I think as other people have said the CAB is the way to go with the debt issues.
They can negotiate for you and lots of people end up paying £1.00 per month until they are back on their feet again.
How long were you at that employment for? if it was over a year( or is 2 now?) I would be looking at the possibility of a unfair dismissal claim if it was just a straightforward argument and you were not on a final written warning. Unless there was swearing and shouting etc, I think its harsh to dismiss for an argument.

UD claims need to be lodged within three months of dismissal, so the OP is too late.

kilasuit

pickpocketlocket wrote: »

UD claims need to be lodged within three months of dismissal, so the OP is too late.

although in extreme circumstances that 3month deadline can be waived.

I think Homelessness counts as an extreme circumstance.

mumblub

my heart goes out to you op fingers crossed it all works out for you..and all the best to you