Better off on benefits

tescovaluecrisps

Man_Overboard wrote: »

If you were 'in charge', how would you differentiate between the deserving and the non-deserving?

people with health probs come first people who just want to quit work last.

tescovaluecrisps

oh and people who have lost there jobs come first too soz x

dandelionclock30

OP if you want to leave your job then do not get youself sacked.It can then be difficult to get another job especially in this climate. Then you have hassell regarding references,also with the DSS, and with what to put on application forms.
If your depression and anxiety is to do with your job, then its better to resign and take the financial hit if you cant sort it out.. Then at least you will hopefully have a decent reference. Being unemployed and possibly losing your career path and being without a decent reference is not a good position to be in.
If your depression and anxiety is due to other issues then you need to be sorting them out.You can get support from the G.P who can refer you for CBT.
Only you know whats upsetting you,I hope you manage to find someway forward.

princessdon

People *can* be better off on benefits - I don't think anyone can dispute that

But this is short term surely

Long term - staying in employment - building the CV and skills is better.

My first jobs paid peanuts (I'd have been better of on benefits). I didn't and others don't get nice homes and decent wages by saying "I'll stay on benefits".

I know people say pride doesn't pay the bills - but there is a lot of attributes to people who do work and this places them top of others when it comes to the future.

How do you describe this to a future employer?

Oh well - I got more on benefits so didn't work - doens't give a good impression does it?

People talk often about the benefits trap and it does exist - but in part this is because the lack of employability and future careers - not just money.

there is more to consider than financial IMO

Man_Overboard_2

tescovaluecrisps wrote: »

people with health probs come first people who just want to quit work last.

I reckon the two one-liners in your two consecutive posts are probably an accurate summary of the Welfare State's original intentions...

Unfortunately, it isn't that simple in practice - your two one-liners have expanded into billions, and still there is no agreement on the difference between the deserving and the non-deserving!

tescovaluecrisps

I agree with you man overboard that is where peoples ownjudgement should come into this. I have had a mental illness myself and seen others work with serious health problems and injuries. I am NOT saying you should go to work when you are in a bad way but you know yourself when you can carry on and can't and it's not about being better off it's about not being able to carry on anymore.

FBaby

Man_Overboard wrote: »

People with emotional/mental/psychological difficulties. or with some kind of physical disability, will never be able to compete on an even playing field with the majority of the population.

What a defeating attitude...many people with emotional/mental/psychological difficulties or physical disability learn to overcome them, and many become even stronger as a result. When I was 22, I suffered a major mental breakdown, but I decided to fight it. It was very tough and very painful, but I didn't and vowed never to let myself get that down again. I learnt coping skills and applied them every time I faced a difficult time in my life. 20 years later and I am as strong as it gets. Of course I can't say I will never be mentally poorly again, but thank god no-one ever told me when I was at my lowest that I had no chance to ever compete with others for a job or career.

tescovaluecrisps

FBaby wrote: »

What a defeating attitude...many people with emotional/mental/psychological difficulties or physical disability learn to overcome them, and many become even stronger as a result. When I was 22, I suffered a major mental breakdown, but I decided to fight it. It was very tough and very painful, but I didn't and vowed never to let myself get that down again. I learnt coping skills and applied them every time I faced a difficult time in my life. 20 years later and I am as strong as it gets. Of course I can't say I will never be mentally poorly again, but thank god no-one ever told me when I was at my lowest that I had no chance to ever compete with others for a job or career.

Well done for fighting it, I completly agree with what you said:T

tescovaluecrisps

:jpensioners deserve it

k12479

tescovaluecrisps wrote: »

people with health probs come first people who just want to quit work last.

What if those health problems are self-inflicted through smoking, obesity, drug abuse, etc?