Help? Are benefits being capped at 3 children?

pink_princess

izzzzythedog wrote: »

the world full enough , we cant feed the people here already Who can not feed who?, having a kid whilst having nothing but HANDOUTS is a reflection of the state of society and a dole culture that needs breaking How would you suggest we break the cycle?, no extra money for those already in receipt of benefits if they have further children makes a lot of sense , if you dont have the income dont have the childrenLife is not that simplistic

What if those parents did not have any form of role model whilst growing up?

How do we fix the problem?

To me money is not the answer.

raven83

pickpocketlocket wrote: »

That divide still exists - in my area there has recently been a new social housing development, and the children that live there go to the existing schools in the area. The situation you describe is exactly as it was back in the eighties.

Do you really think that these people that cannot be bothered to work really care what their kids clothes are like? If they did, they would go out and get a job.

pink princess, the mentoring idea has been tried in poor areas for a good few years now, that is what SureStart is about - it has not made a bit of difference.

Well then it is just going to get even more worse for them and more retched. We are supposed to be coming forward not going back. I am not saying I don't think there should be a cap all together, but I think that by cutting it just like that is going to have consequences and I just don't think it is very fair on the innocent in this.

I think more money should be invested so that young/single mums can go to college and do course so that they can learn and train to become something, instead everything is just being phased out making it even more of a potentially miserable situation.

pink_princess

pickpocketlocket wrote: »

That divide still exists - in my area there has recently been a new social housing development, and the children that live there go to the existing schools in the area. The situation you describe is exactly as it was back in the eighties.

Do you really think that these people that cannot be bothered to work really care what their kids clothes are like? If they did, they would go out and get a job.

pink princess, the mentoring idea has been tried in poor areas for a good few years now, that is what SureStart is about - it has not made a bit of difference.

Sure start did not do that, believe me I have given up some of my free time to find out. (Talking to teen mums)

Sure start just invested time in the children, mostly without the parents there. We can not affect them unless it is on a permanant time basis. A few hours a day does not tackle their upbringing.

We need people to spend time with the parents, really help them see that they can amount to something in life.

I was that teenage, pregnant, no hoper. Then I was put with a fantastic set of foster parents (Mum and Dad ).

Time and self belief is what we need to invest in, not cut benefits. It will solve nothing.

pickpocketlocket

raven83 wrote: »

Well then it is just going to get even more worse for them and more retched. We are supposed to be coming forward not going back. I am not saying I don't think there should be a cap all together, but I think that by cutting it just like that is going to have consequences and I just don't think it is very fair on the innocent in this.

I think more money should be invested so that young/single mums can go to college and do course so that they can learn and train to become something, instead everything is just being phased out making it even more of a potentially miserable situation.

There is already very generous provision in place for young/ single mothers to go to college (free courses, IS, free housing) - the problem is many don't think about it until their IS provision is running out, when they quite rightly have to seek work.

Why should all this responsibility be placed on the state? Are people really that !!!!less that they need someone to tell them how to be parents? If so, I would question whether they should be in that role at all.

(No idea why f"e"ckless has been deleted - it is not a swear word!

**Patty**

I was at school in the late 70s/early 80s & i don't remember things being worse than they are now?

We didn't have stupidly priced logo'd to death school uniform for a start......you were just informed of the school colours.
Free school meals were still available back then.
School uniform shops ran a pay-weekly scheme.

In fact, the only way to tell the children of career-claimants these days is that they are the ones with £100 Timberland boots.:cool:

annie1975_2

raven83 wrote: »

Well then it is just going to get even more worse for them and more retched. We are supposed to be coming forward not going back. I am not saying I don't think there should be a cap all together, but I think that by cutting it just like that is going to have consequences and I just don't think it is very fair on the innocent in this.

I think more money should be invested so that young/single mums can go to college and do course so that they can learn and train to become something, instead everything is just being phased out making it even more of a potentially miserable situation.

They are not going to want to go and do a course so long as they are being given benefits.(for doing nothing).Some are getting an absolute fortune on benefits especially those who have got more than 2 children..
I know some would like to go and better themselves,but theres more that dont want to...
I agree that if they keep having children when on benefits then that benefit should not increase with each child.
I know its not the childs fault,but its not for the taxpayer to bail them out either?

raven83

pickpocketlocket wrote: »

There is already very generous provision in place for young/ single mothers to go to college (free courses, IS, free housing) - the problem is many don't think about it until their IS provision is running out, when they quite rightly have to seek work.

Why should all this responsibility be placed on the state? Are people really that !!!!less that they need someone to tell them how to be parents? If so, I would question whether they should be in that role at all.

(No idea why f"e"ckless has been deleted - it is not a swear word!

Quite often people that go to college lose their benefits and end up being worse off. Plus something needs to be in place so that when a single mum does get a job and come of benefits there a safty nets in place, you hear so many horror stories of people not having enough money for the month to live in because their benefits have been stopped and there is a waiting period before their wages kick in. The whole benefit system is very badly thought and there are a lot of grey areas.

But going back to the question, no I don't think a cap is the way forward I think more money needs to be invested into other areas.

pink_princess

pickpocketlocket wrote: »

There is already very generous provision in place for young/ single mothers to go to college (free courses, IS, free housing) - the problem is many don't think about it until their IS provision is running out, when they quite rightly have to seek work.

Why should all this responsibility be placed on the state? Are people really that !!!!less that they need someone to tell them how to be parents? If so, I would question whether they should be in that role at all.

(No idea why f"e"ckless has been deleted - it is not a swear word!

I think you are trying to compare night with day.

An average parent would not dream of having a child whilst they have no income. Infact the thought of no income would make them ill. They have been brought up to believe that.

The long term, generation unemployed do not know that that college course, and maybe a bright future is there for them to take.
They believe they have no future except benefits.

Unless we invest in changing mentalities then we will continue in this vicious cycle.

pink_princess

annie1975 wrote: »

I know some would like to go and better themselves,but theres more that dont want to...

Ask yourself why? Why would somebody not wish to better themselves or their lives?

Could it be that no-one has made them believe that they can?

annie1975_2

pink_princess wrote: »

I think you are trying to compare night with day.

An average parent would not dream of having a child whilst they have no income. Infact the thought of no income would make them ill. They have been brought up to believe that.

The long term, generation unemployed do not know that that college course, and maybe a bright future is there for them to take.
They believe they have no future except benefits.

Unless we invest in changing mentalities then we will continue in this vicious cycle.

There are plenty of parents out there who keep having children that have got no income...Sorry they do have an income, a better one than those that are turning out to work 40 hours a week.