Help? Are benefits being capped at 3 children?

DaisyFlower

I think capping it to two is also a good idea but i also think if you have a child whilst on benefits be it your first or fifth then ou shouldnt get any child related benefits at all. They should be there as a safety net not as a choice from the start.

raven83

DaisyFlower wrote: »

I think capping it to two is also a good idea but i also think if you have a child whilst on benefits be it your first or fifth then ou shouldnt get any child related benefits at all. They should be there as a safety net not as a choice from the start.

But what happens if someone does keep on reproducing while on benefits and it is capped, the children will then grow up in poverty due to their parents being iresponsible? I am not saying there shouldn't be a cap but I don't think it is fair children will have to be punished as a result of their parents actions.

pink_princess

DaisyFlower wrote: »

I think capping it to two is also a good idea but i also think if you have a child whilst on benefits be it your first or fifth then ou shouldnt get any child related benefits at all. They should be there as a safety net not as a choice from the start.

I don't know what would of happend to me and my eldest if that had been the case 18 years ago.

Cutting benefits is the lazy way to save money. God forbid we actually tried to invest time and resources in to our unemployed.

pickpocketlocket

raven83 wrote: »

But what happens if someone does keep on reproducing while on benefits and it is capped, the children will then grow up in poverty due to their parents being iresponsible? I am not saying there shouldn't be a cap but I don't think it is fair children will have to be punished as a result of their parents actions.

If you are buying food for two children, it does not take an extra £50 a week to feed a third child i.e. economies of scale. Plus, you cut your cloth according to your means.

raven83

pickpocketlocket wrote: »

If you are buying food for two children, it does not take an extra £50 a week to feed a third child i.e. economies of scale. Plus, you cut your cloth according to your means.

It isn't just food though is it? Kids need more than just being fed. It will still create a big divide, kids will be scruffy going to school and underfed, and thus being targeted to being bullied and alienated. Yeah go on cap them, make kids suffer as a result of something that is not their fault or in their control, a miserable existence that will be........

pickpocketlocket

raven83 wrote: »

It isn't just food though is it? Kids need more than just being fed. It will still create a big divide, kids will be scruffy going to school and underfed, and thus being targeted to being bullied and alienated. Yeah go on cap them, make kids suffer as a result of something that is not their fault or in their control, a miserable existence that will be........

You referred to poverty, did you not? Of course it will cause a social divide, but that divide already exists for the children of career benefit claimants. The only people that can change that are the parents themselves, "feeding" their habit with money will not solve the problem.

raven83

When I was at school in the 80s when the tories was in power, there was always the rich kids then the "benefit" kids. They would come to school in dirty clothes, often not fed, and didn't have the latest toys the "rich" kids had. As a result they was bullied and left out because no one wanted to have anything to do with them as they was deemed "2nd class" Nowadays there isn't as much of a divide as people on benefits can afford to fed and clothe their children to a decent standard, at the school my kids go to it is actually almost impossible to tell who has working parents and who claims benefits because their isn't much of a difference between them and the children with working parents. If they bring in the cap it will go back to how it was back in the 80s only a lot worse. It will be a sad and gloomy time for a child to be born in due to no fault of their own.

pink_princess

pickpocketlocket wrote: »

You referred to poverty, did you not? Of course it will cause a social divide, but that divide already exists for the children of career benefit claimants. The only people that can change that are the parents themselves, "feeding" their habit with money will not solve the problem.

The problem being that this cap will not just hit them.

It will also hit the people who need the help on a temporary basis, who have paid in to the system for years.

I agree more money is not the answer either, but to cut the support is just wrong IMHO.

We need to invest in mentors etc that can help people see there is a way out for them. They can contribute in some way, just nobody has ever made them believe that.

izzzzythedog

the world full enough , we cant feed the people here already , having a kid whilst having nothing but HANDOUTS is a reflection of the state of society and a dole culture that needs breaking , no extra money for those already in receipt of benefits if they have further children makes a lot of sense , if you dont have the income dont have the children

pickpocketlocket

raven83 wrote: »

When I was at school in the 80s when the tories was in power, there was always the rich kids then the "benefit" kids. They would come to school in dirty clothes, often not fed, and didn't have the latest toys the "rich" kids had. As a result they was bullied and left out because no one wanted to have anything to do with them as they was deemed "2nd class" Nowadays there isn't as much of a divide as people on benefits can afford to fed and clothe their children to a decent standard, at the school my kids go to it is actually almost impossible to tell who has working parents and who claims benefits because their isn't much of a difference between them and the children with working parents. If they bring in the cap it will go back to how it was back in the 80s only a lot worse. It will be a sad and gloomy time for a child to be born in due to no fault of their own.

That divide still exists - in my area there has recently been a new social housing development, and the children that live there go to the existing schools in the area. The situation you describe is exactly as it was back in the eighties.

Do you really think that these people that cannot be bothered to work really care what their kids clothes are like? If they did, they would go out and get a job.

pink princess, the mentoring idea has been tried in poor areas for a good few years now, that is what SureStart is about - it has not made a bit of difference.