Enhanced CRB - checking family members/those living with you?

Racheldevon

It could have significant consequences. To some extent as it says above it will depend on the source of the information. Safeguarding is rightly so, vital to working with children, and for some roles this extends to the wider family. No one wants to takes potential risks, and end up a Serious Case Review. The family member is likely to be known to several agencies and probably MAPPA which may have triggered something in connection with this.

getmore4less

A change in circumstances means she will have to move from where she currently lives and go live with family for a while

How widespread is this move known.

Has it happened yet?


The first my employer would know about a move would be after it has happened when I notified them of a change of address.

If it was a temp move they may never know, mail redirection and notify once a final move has happened.

How long after they informed the nusery they were moving, did this issue come up.

How did they find out she was moving?


I suspect this connection was allready known if he lives and works in the same area.

Even more so if this familiy have lived in the area a long time and she went to school and is still relatively young.

Uncertain

marybelle01 wrote: »

It may make a huge difference. I didn't say it would, but it may. If it came from the police it may be a concern that if satisfied will mean one thing. If it came from the parent of a child, then that could destroy the nursery. So how they found out is quite possibly relevant.

I agree if it came from the police then it is supposedly confidential. I don't know enough about the rules of enhanced CRBs etc to say if the connection / living at the same address would technically be a bar to working at the nursery.

What does seem obvious however is that the nursery would be taking an enormous commercial risk in continuing to employ her. As I said earlier the tabloid press would make a meal of this if they found out.

Rightly or wrongly (wrongly in my view) we live in paranoid society.

dandelionclock30

Why cant your friend stay somewhere else instead of having all this? She is working so why cant she rent somewhere? Surley this is better than having all this scrutiny?
I think they can get rid of her under safeguarding concerns. Social workers before have been deregistered for living with sex offenders as their partners and working with children. There were 2 cases on The GSCC website before it shut down.
Theres definatley a conflict of interest on her part and it shows she has poor judgement if nothing else. I'd advise her to find somwhere else to live and have nothing to do with this family member.

marybelle01

Uncertain wrote: »

I agree if it came from the police then it is supposedly confidential. I don't know enough about the rules of enhanced CRBs etc to say if the connection / living at the same address would technically be a bar to working at the nursery.

What does seem obvious however is that the nursery would be taking an enormous commercial risk in continuing to employ her. As I said earlier the tabloid press would make a meal of this if they found out.

Rightly or wrongly (wrongly in my view) we live in paranoid society.

I agree entirely. I am just looking at "angles" in relation to whether this could be a reason for dismissal, and simply living at the same address as an offender would not, in my opinion, be enough - but adding bringing the employer into disrepute might be. But I think that the employer would need to tread carefully - the tabloid press do not decide what is unfair dismissal, and there is a vast difference between the sorts of instances where an employee may be in a personal relationship with a convicted sex offender, and someone who is temporarily living in the same property as one who, for better or for worse, just happens to be a relative. I would certainly agree that it would be better all around if she had somewhere else to go, but sometimes life isn't kind enough to hand us choices when a relationship breaks down.

Sambucus_Nigra

Lisa090982 wrote: »

It's a nursery I think - not childminding

That's what I've suggested.... Shame I live over an hour from her or she could come stay with me for a bit

I think this might be her easiest all round option if I'm honest, I live an hour away from work but then I drive.

whitewing

I think CRB have a helpline that could probably answer the question about whether it would affect her CRB.

I think employers would have to consult their insurers over the matter ie it may not actually be an employer decision.

Possibly employers may just be putting a set of guidelines together for your friend in terms of how they will safeguard her job in extreme family circumstances.

What a headache for everyone. I agree it would probably become a non-issue if she didn't move in with family. The danger is now that it becomes such an issue that everyone gets to know and she feels forced out of her job anyway. Are other staff members aware of the situation? If not, do ensure your friend keeps it confidential and doesn't discuss with other assistants. Someone at a company I used to work for got arrested for child !!!!!! photos on his home PC. He was fired, partly because as virtually all the mothers in the dept refused to work with him and said they'd walk out. (Of course, his firing was confidential so we don't know exact reasons). I know your friend did nothing wrong, but is there such a big error of judgement moving in with a sex offender family member that other staff may not want to be associated with her in case it tarnishes their reputation?

I have a daughter at nursery. I think I would probably take her out of that nursery if I knew a member of staff was living in those circumstances. Although other nurseries could have similar situations that I didn't know about, I would feel a million times worse if there was even a suspicion of unsuitable connections and I could have acted and didn't.

getmore4less

Lisa090982 wrote: »

It's a nursery I think - not childminding

That's what I've suggested.... Shame I live over an hour from her or she could come stay with me for a bit

Unless there is a specific ban/restriction allrady in place from staying/visiting the house in question, she makes your place the official new residence where she stay occationaly would be no different to before.

DVardysShadow

whitewing wrote: »

.... Someone at a company I used to work for got arrested for child !!!!!! photos on his home PC. He was fired, partly because as virtually all the mothers in the dept refused to work with him and said they'd walk out. (Of course, his firing was confidential so we don't know exact reasons).

This truly is hysteria. It was an arrest and as we now know, the biggest police operation of this kind in recent years was fatally flawed, so never mind he was only arrested, the convictions are flawed too. The best place for these people is in the open so you know where and who they are - driving them underground makes the problem much worse.

whitewing wrote: »

.... I have a daughter at nursery. I think I would probably take her out of that nursery if I knew a member of staff was living in those circumstances. Although other nurseries could have similar situations that I didn't know about, I would feel a million times worse if there was even a suspicion of unsuitable connections and I could have acted and didn't.

More hysteria. You would move her out of a nursery where the connection is known about and risk moving her to a nursery where there might be unknown connections.

whitewing

DVardysShadow wrote: »

More hysteria. You would move her out of a nursery where the connection is known about and risk moving her to a nursery where there might be unknown connections.

Yes, I would definitely move my daughter out of a nursery where an assistant was choosing to live in the same household as a sex offender.

My husband works on the same premises as someone else who is a registered sex offender. It is probable that others in the company don't know that. It was something that occurred many years ago.

My husband would be confident and capable to raise any potential issues, should they arise. My daughter cannot as she can't string a sentence together yet. I think it is poor decision-making to live with a sex offender when you work in a nursery. What other decisions would be poorly made?