straightforward paypal reclaim question

geo555

I very much doubt that the fraudster to put their real details in their pay paypal account. It is a favourite scam of eastern european fraudsters.

Maybe these were the people behind your misfortune.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/31/ebay_scam_gang_jailed/

aweru123

Thanks for the link! interesting.. Yes it did seem like a male & female were involved..

could well have been them!

Still, even if details are fake... the bank account must have been real where the paypal money was withdrawn to.... even if its empty of funds...

I think paypal is not really a fully secure system. & now if i buy anything over £100, i like to collect in person & pay with cash rather than send it electronicaly.

Poop.

I did ask my bank though as well, shortly after to get my cash back..... but like paypal.. the bank are usualy the same.... dont call us, we will call you.


So yes, i did report it to my bank as well at the time.

Hey!
can i claim it on my Halifax insurance? Im paying for the damn insurane on my account & never use it! Could I get onto the bank saying that I reported it back then & still nothing has happend?

greeneye

aweru123 wrote: »

I then recived an offer to buy a laptop... i shoulda realised was suspicious back then, but it seemed to have come through ebay, but apparently was not, i later found out.

Anyways... I sent the money through paypal, & the laptop never turned up (it was £500)
Went through the paypal procedure to get my money back...

aweru123 wrote: »

This scam artist even had the cheek to have the same email adddress as the ebay sellers profile name& i wouldnt be surprised if it was the same guy operating a scam alongside a legit buisness. shurely he musta got many complaints regarding the same fraudsters?

he was not helpfull at all, & really aggressive. I figure it was the ebay seller. Because if it wasnt & if the scammers were using his name, he would have reported it & also given details or been at least concerned someone was using his trade name in email.

How were you originally contacted after the auction ended?
Was it a direct email to your email address requesting a paypal payment to be sent direct from paypal?
If so the only person who could have seen your email address would have been someone who had access to the sellers ebay account.

But this doesn't mean it was nesscessarily the seller his account could have been hacked (or acessed by someone in his household) and this person was simply offering second chances on his auctions but not actually altering anything in his account so he wouldn't have been aware.

If paypal won't provide you with the sellers details the only thing you've got to go on is the email address it's a long shot but they may have slipped up.
If you have a look at that the paypal payment you mention an email address with his name. What follows the @ in the address? Is it just a free email account i.e @gmail.com ,@hotmail.com etc or is it an ISP based email address?
If it's the latter then you've got somewhere to start.

pennylane99

if you look at the copy the OP has provided, the email is a hotmail a/c

it shows sellers name and email....

they have used a legit sellers name in their email addy....tier1-online

if you read post #8

greeneye

pennylane99 wrote: »

if you look at the copy the OP has provided, the email is a hotmail a/c

it shows sellers name and email....

they have used a legit sellers name in their email addy....tier1-online

if you read post #8

aha I see and I also see the sellers name.
So OP as you never actully made a purchase of the original seller you don't actually know their name?
If not and they're still active on ebay why don't you make a purchase of them and see if the names tally or if the second persons name is registered at the same address as the seller via 192.com or similar.
Failing that if they are not active could you not approach other ebayers who have bought or sold with them? And get them to give you at least the sellers name looks dodgy but might be worth a try if you word it right.

Wherever your money went it had to come out to a bank account somewhere and I personally doubt that many of these paypal frauds are tied into fake bank accounts because there are far richer pickings to be had with a fake bank account than little ebay/paypal frauds.

I don't think paypal bother investigating these frauds fool stop. Unless you used a credit card and charged back in which case they would be out of pocket. But even then I don't think they bother withe police etc if the bank account / address is genuine they may call in the baliffs but if not I think they just swallow as it's not cost effective to pursue people.

pennylane99

the legit original seller company tier1 is a big company....over 37000 feedback on Ebay alone..

I doubt it has anything to do with them, sure they wouldnt risk their reputation for a few hundred £££

greeneye

pennylane99 wrote: »

the legit original seller company tier1 is a big company....over 37000 feedback on Ebay alone..

I doubt it has anything to do with them, sure they wouldnt risk their reputation for a few hundred £££

Well how do we explain how the fraudster got the OP's email address then?
They were either hacked or complicit.
Either that or maybe the OP was phished previously for his ebay Id and the phisher patiently waited and watched until he made a bid and set up an email address based on the sellers ID. Or someone who knows the OP and knows their ebay ID and email address set them up.

I always wanted to be Sherlock Holmes when I was a kid (you could be my Watson penny) but as an adult I fear I may be more of an Inspector Clouseau (so you'd have to be my Cato) .;)

pennylane99

greeneye wrote: »

Well how do we explain how the fraudster got the OP's email address then?
They were either hacked or complicit.
Either that or maybe the OP was phished previously for his ebay Id and the phisher patiently waited and watched until he made a bid and set up an email address based on the sellers ID. Or someone who knows the OP and knows their ebay ID and email address set them up.

I always wanted to be Sherlock Holmes when I was a kid (you could be my Watson penny) but as an adult I fear I may be more of an Inspector Clouseau (so you'd have to be my Cato) .;)

the fraudster may have bought something themselves from tier1 in the past, or even looking on google its easy to find out what tier1 proper email address is...and so create one similar for themselves to scam with.

They were probably watching who was bidding on tier1 auctions, and sending scam second chance offers to the underbidders.
Its not so easy for them now as you dont see user ID's anymore on bids over £100.
2 years ago it was easy enough to message other Ebay users...

greeneye

pennylane99 wrote: »

the fraudster may have bought something themselves from tier1 in the past, or even looking on google its easy to find out what tier1 proper email address is...and so create one similar for themselves to scam with.

They were probably watching who was bidding on tier1 auctions, and sending scam second chance offers to the underbidders.
Its not so easy for them now as you dont see user ID's anymore on bids over £100.
2 years ago it was easy enough to message other Ebay users...

hmmm...strokes chin... but that would mean that the OP got a message from ebays internal system and didn't bother checking that the sender wasn't the same ebay member who's auction they had bid on.
Which would seem unlikely. So we are back to how did the fraudster get the OP's email address?

frivolous_fay

pennylane99 wrote: »

They were probably watching who was bidding on tier1 auctions, and sending scam second chance offers to the underbidders... 2 years ago it was easy enough to message other Ebay users...

What Penny said